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Old 11-04-2014, 11:48 AM   #43
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We have a 08 Tahoe with tow package. Living in So Calif where we have to climb some steep mountain passes to get out on our travels, with 100F temps outside and 6 to 7 percent grades, I would not tow with anything less.
It just depends on where you live that would depend on what vehicle to use for towing. One size does not fit all


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Old 11-05-2014, 11:16 PM   #44
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You can also use a Mini Cooper. Have a look at posts by Andrew T of Can Am Rv. Point would be that a 20 can be pulled by about anything.

What best suits solo duty may in this instance be ideal.

If set on a truck then, no, a bed cap is a trade off for space. Just keep it cab high. Or, an Aerolid. There is an increase in sail area with a standard topper.


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Old 11-06-2014, 12:22 AM   #45
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On FE

For a lightweight, low CG, aero all Alu TT the function of weight is a stop/ go problem almost exclusively. The longer versions exert more drag and present more sail area

Now, unlike square boxes where wind forces pile up along the length, this type allows wind to pass over where a sort of vacuum is induced (and is much less strong thereby).

Yes, weight is a penalty but hardly so among this type. IOW not too much difference. It need not be concern as TV spec takes precedence for FE matters. Ergo some more weight/length won't change a monthly travel budget.

I can see where the thought of the shortest TT could mean parking it in places not usually thought of as RV spots. Etc. The OP should get the right one but the addition of a few feet won't likely change that either.

Potable water isn't always conveniently found. There is a current thread on Rv.net about not allowing a water thief to be used at some state/national parks. Etc. Transporting propane presents its own problems.

There are longer term workarounds for extended stays, but self-sufficiency is at the very heart of the matter of how to be independent for as long as possible. What are the reserves for a given consumption rate, etc? Alike to TV fuel range when towing. Let us consider extraordinary circumstances as when and not if. Prudence, examined.


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I guess the case for larger trailers autonomy trade-off to FE is not easy to dismiss. Your sig shows a 35' so you have the experience.

Agreed, independence is a desirable goal, to the point permitted by the technology. Someday we will all recycle our water, be entirely
self-powered and so on, but not yet. (Good practice for long interstellar trips ) but for now, there have to be pit stops. How often becomes the question. That is partly a function of tank sizes, partly usage rates. One is fixed initially, the other can vary with usage practices. That is my logic. But sure, I would rather a larger tank.

As I read it, propane will only become a burn rate problem in fairly cold weather.

I figure I would seek an RV park when I needed the services, electricity, dump, or even water. What I don't know is how easy it would be to find one when I need one without long travel.

Thanks for your input.

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Old 11-06-2014, 12:35 AM   #46
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Set (on a truck) would be too strong a word for it Slowmover. I thought I needed a truck of a certain weight not to get wagged by the tail and manage rougher terrain in the West.. And for the storage -- I thought I would want a generator at some point down the line, along with extra water. The cap would also be added protection for that and other valuable items I might want to carry.

In Phil Caputo's book "The Longest Road," he kept two dogs in it.

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Thanks to those who posted their TV for a 20 footer.

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Old 11-06-2014, 06:38 AM   #48
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The AllStays app is an excellent resource for campgrounds, propane, fuel, dump stations, WalMart , etc.

We have not had problems finding dump stations when we needed them, and you can always pull into a private campground, ask, pay a small fee, and dump/refill there.

We also like this public campgrounds website, which has everything, everywhere, and is very user-friendly.


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Old 11-06-2014, 11:48 AM   #49
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Thanks Maggie. Noted and saved.
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Old 11-06-2014, 12:07 PM   #50
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If you look at photos of a 23FB International vs 23FB Flying Cloud you get more kitchen counter space on the International because they install a round sink vs a rectangle double sink. This lends to more counter space on the International. The rear bath is very spacious compared to my 25fb and there seems to also be more wardrobe space too as the two closests in the 23fb are wider than the two in the 25fb and there is only 1 in the 20. The holding tanks are larger on the 23fb vs the 20 or 23d, 30 gallon grey. There is more overhead cabinets than my 25fb. I'm kinda wishing we went with a 23fb vs 25fb although I'd miss my 2 door fridge.

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If you look at photos of a 23FB International vs 23FB Flying Cloud you get more kitchen counter space on the International because they install a round sink vs a rectangle double sink. This lends to more counter space on the International. The rear bath is very spacious compared to my 25fb and there seems to also be more wardrobe space too as the two closests in the 23fb are wider than the two in the 25fb and there is only 1 in the 20. The holding tanks are larger on the 23fb vs the 20 or 23d, 30 gallon grey. There is more overhead cabinets than my 25fb. I'm kinda wishing we went with a 23fb vs 25fb although I'd miss my 2 door fridge.

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Because of posts like this, I took another look at the 23D. At the cost of 1000 lbs it had a 39 gal FW tank. I like the 23D over the 23FB for a single because it consumes less space for the dinette and bed areas and so more possibilities for a work area to fit in, maybe where the 23D lounge is. If I needed a dinette, I would want it at the pano window where one could eat and lounge with a view. But it is a lot of space and function for a single traveler, I feel. With the bed virtually fixed in function (although the Vinnick 19' 75 Anniversary model showed a modular sofa/bed idea, it was not standardized by AS).

As for the sink, I think it is a bit overdone. The double sink could well be single; a 2 burner gas stove would suffice (don't use a big oven), placed front to back rather than side to side, to free up a little counter. I wish AS allowed one to specify such things for the build so that customizing wasn't so compelling. One reason I like the galley in the 20. I can accept the 3-burner top with so much counter space.

The one-door fridge is a compromise for me too. I wish I could get rid of the tv on top and get a bigger 2 door on the 20! Same comment applies.

I guess, if a 23D came up with a great price, I would be very tempted, knowing what I have learned here.

Thanks Kelvin.
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:00 PM   #52
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The one-door fridge is a compromise for me too. I wish I could get rid of the tv on top and get a bigger 2 door on the 20!

Agreed. I'd like to move the tv to the bedroom - it's already wired for second tv there - and install two door reefer...wonder if JC could do that conversion for me....?


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Just an idea TCwheels

.Is the dinette/bed partition strong enough to hold the tv bracket?.

If so it could be swung out for viewing from one side of the dinette, or back to the bed, if the pivoting arm permits.

Anyway worth checking with JC. [Jackson Ctr I finally realized]
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That's a thought but we don't really watch tv until we're tucked in. The current position of the tv means you have to lay with your head on the opposite end from the LED reading lights if you want watch from the bed! I might just move the tv anyway and build a shallow shelf or cabinet in its place...
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Old 11-07-2014, 09:21 PM   #55
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Just wondering if you perhaps looked at this in the classified?

2007 Airstream International CCD 22 - Louisiana

Model is a 22 with dual axels, desk, nice span of counter in the kitchen. Potential drawback in the wet bath, but it is larger that the one in the 16s. May be something to consider
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Just wondering if you perhaps looked at this in the classified?

2007 Airstream International CCD 22 - Louisiana

Model is a 22 with dual axels, desk, nice span of counter in the kitchen. Potential drawback in the wet bath, but it is larger that the one in the 16s. May be something to consider
Really nice of you to point this one out, Piggy Bank.

With typical tunnel vision, I was only looking 13-21'

This seems to be in good shape, small dinette AND desk. Didn't think any AS ever did that (maybe a customization?). Also roomier with an extra couple of feet.

I had no idea a model like this ever existed. At first I thought it
patterned after a Sport 22, one battery, 20 lb LPG tanks, except for the front rock guards, some kind of wall covering, but it has differences. Unexpected design.

The only quibbles I would have are the wet bath and fixed bed. The bath would take some getting use to. It would be better for me if I had a sofa for lounging. Perhaps that is doable..

Odd this is a CCD signature design, so different it is from the eye appeal of the current one. A bit of vintage charm?

For its length, its a small extra weight (and extra fresh water) are a decent trade-off. Its asking price is about the same as a 2008 Safari 20 I saw at Colonial.

I just got off the phone with a well-known distant customizer on my 20' idea.
This one throws me a curve.

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