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Old 09-25-2015, 08:36 PM   #15
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Don't plan to sell Casita until have AS, so sorry not for sale at this time.

The above pics of restored AS are amazing! I don't have the skills to do anything like that, but I can appreciate what is being done.

I have been looking at the late model classified on this site, CL and ebay some. There is a dealer approx 50 miles away I have been to 2 x's, but wife wasn't with me. The other dealer that has more selection is approx 150 miles away, haven't been there yet.

I am pretty slow to make a decision, so will probably be looking, educating myself for sometime. You know, after you buy something you have to stop looking, which spoils the fun a little. Plus, I generally have buyers remorse for awhile and then get over it. So, no hurry to get AS, I already have something that is working well, and can take my sweet time. Cheers
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Old 09-25-2015, 09:04 PM   #16
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Biggest mistake I made was to sell the Casita the same week we got the AS. As it turned out the AS project took 3 years to be ready to use and we had to rent a few SOB's during the project.

Be sure whatever you buy that it has no hidden problems. Use it then sell the Casita on CasitaClub.com it will go within 1 to 2 days and don't come down on your price.
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:37 PM   #17
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Have been jumping all over the place on AS want/ need. Finally, figured out have to go to 25' to get windows in front and back with queen size bed. Wife looked at some at the closest dealer and likes 25' too.

Probably a little bigger to tow and park than what we want, so have to think about that aspect some. Will probably need a larger TV and larger carport to store it too. Then, do we want the queen bed in the front or back? So, a little overwhelming.

I think next will look for a used one not too far to go get. Depending on where the bed is, that's what we will go with, but want the queen size.

So, for now I am looking for used late model AS Flying Cloud 25' D or FB OK.

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Old 10-05-2015, 09:13 PM   #18
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Seriously - the queen in the 25' is sideways - and it LOOKS like there's room to walk around the side of the bed next to the front wall (FB) but there isn't. The wall curves back in and there's less than six inches at the bottom to put your feet. If you're an Egyptian Hieroglyph or have taken a lot of ballet lessons and can move sideways by using third position (toes pointed straight out, with a gap between your heels = length of one of your feet) then you can get on the far side of the bed to make it.

If you ever need to use the restroom at night, one person is crawling out over the other (the one closest to the wall) gets to wear Depends to bed.
(I have a 25 FB but am long long divorced so there's no conflict. What was his name???)

SO? If you already need a bigger carport and tow vehicle, one semi-obvious choice would be look at the 27' or 28' (which are the same length). The fore and aft queen has a lot of benefits over the sideways one. The other choice is twin beds in a 25. The Lucy-Desi arrangement DOES have a few redeeming characteristics. Better access to underbed storage, a second "living room" where dad can run his sewing machine while mom plays poker with the girls at the dinette... (just messin' with you). And for close encounters of the fourth kind, well love will find a way. Notice that other than the Eddie Bauer, the 25 FB has a pull out sofa that makes a tight double. (You MIGHT want to put some extra bracing to the floor on the pulled out section.)

You won't hate the pull out pantry or the bigger closet in the 27 FB either.

Happy trails - go to a dealership and see the differences in person.
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Old 10-05-2015, 10:33 PM   #19
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We have a 25FC with a queen and I totally agree with "Foiled Again". It works dandily for us but I am quite flexible (physically) so I sleep closest to the window. The 27 or 28 seem super for a queen. 27 if you want front bedroom (we wanted this due to backing into most sites that we visit so that the dinette was facing view or back of site), 28 if this doesn't apply to you so you get the couch!
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Old 10-06-2015, 03:33 PM   #20
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Thanks for replies.

Guess will have to look some more to verify no room on sides of queen in FC 25'. We sleep sideways in our Casita, so used to that arrangement. Not ready for twin beds yet.

Camping, wife likes to sit on the bed and look out windows. I don't quite understand having windows in front of trailer, because so used to Casita which doesn't have front windows. Just seems like when you back into a site, you are looking at the back of your TV?

With 17' Casita, we normally back in, but with longer AS I am thinking will probably be more pull throughs, less back-in sites available for longer trailers? Camping in the future, we will be pondering how it would be different with longer AS. Cheers
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Old 10-06-2015, 03:51 PM   #21
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I prefer back in sites and will choose one of those over a pull through if there is a choice. I look for sites on the outer loops of campgrounds.

Yes the larger size of our Airstream vs our Casita had me worried but after a few trips I got more confident. Having to mess with a weight distribution hitch was also an adjustment. Just take your time getting in and out of a campground.


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Old 10-06-2015, 04:53 PM   #22
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Yes, that's the main thing... take your time. I think you'll find that backing a longer trailer is easier. Our 34' Avion is a piece of cake to back into a spot.
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Old 10-06-2015, 06:38 PM   #23
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We went from a 25', 2006 Safari AS rear bed, to 17' Casita...after 2 years crawling over each other in the Casita, we bought a 2008 25' AS rear "Twin"; found out later the 08' Twin had been modified from a Queen, and lacked the outside storage lockers, plus there were other issues. We sold it 2 years later. We opted for a new 25' FB Twin last year and could not be "too much" happier...(would like the ducted air) But for 2 adults plus boxer dog, this is an excellent AS for us. Twin gives you plenty of options, more sleeping area, dressing area, 3 outside storage areas, etc...I wouldn't worry about pull through; maneuvering the 25 is not much different than the Casita to me. We back in many times to enjoy "view out the back" at lakes, streams, etc...and we have a F150 SuperCrew short bed, Echoboost to pull...
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:17 PM   #24
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Hi and welcome!

We bought a used 25' Safari off the forum classifieds 2 years ago. We agonized over 23 or 25 as I was concerned about the weight and towing. We went with 25fb and loved it. We tow with an Armada no problems!

We just upgraded to a 2015 28' International. We have more stowage, more room, a separate couch and dining table. Also the bed is not turned sideways on the 28' which is a very nice feature. There is stowage on both sides of the bed and under so that is a plus.

For us it was all about the layout we wanted. We looked at 27 and 28 (same outside length no but diff layouts) and chose the 28. Having had the Casita for a while you should have a good idea of what features you need and like. Trust your feelings and pick the floor plan you like best for how you travel (and how your wife packs!).

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing!
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:56 AM   #25
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Thanks for replies. We have had Casita so long, I am sure we are over emphasizing the features we are used to. For example: the sideways bed seems desirable to us, that's the way the Casita is arranged, seems like can look out the windows better. I am thinking once we get a larger AS and start using it, we will realize maybe using the bed for a couch is not that great, but who knows?

I am starting to really like the 27' Flying Cloud FB arrangement. Often, in the Casita, which has no windows in the front, I would like to see what's going on out front, just the check on the TV, see if it's still there?, a little paranoia maybe? I noticed today, the 27' has super nice big windows on the front sides as well to look out, even if lounging on the bed. And, of course, the back has wonderful windows to look out of while enjoying the bench seats and table.

My latest concern is getting gas with a larger trailer. We have had some adventures even with the 17' Casita, and are pretty careful where we pull in for gas. I can imagine gasing up with 27' is even more fun? I may get a diesel anyways, which may be less trouble to fill-up I am thinking because the bays are generally larger for big trucks.

What I like seems to change from one day to the next, but we realized the other day the smaller AS just seem like larger Casita's. If we get AS, seems like need 27' to really enjoy it. Looking for deal on 27' FC FB now. Cheers
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You will have to be more carefully refueling with the Airstream compared to the Casita. Some of the stations we refueled at during our Casita years would not be possible with our Airstream 25fb. Got to plan your entry and exits. Watch out for steep dips entering/exiting. Our Casita had more ground clearance.

I've just switched to diesel and have discovered that diesel is not available on all fuel islands. They are either located on the end islands or a separate pump off the side. I haven't tried a truck island yet but have read on these forums some of the issues of truck islands; high flow pumps, having to go inside and pay, higher prices, a lot of fuel spill/water separator spill on the ground, rude truck drivers. My brother-in-law used to have a Duramax towing a 28' 5th wheel and used a truck island once and decided it wasn't worth it. He now has a gas Class C.
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You will have to be more carefully refueling with the Airstream compared to the Casita. Some of the stations we refueled at during our Casita years would not be possible with our Airstream 25fb. Got to plan your entry and exits. Watch out for steep dips entering/exiting. Our Casita had more ground clearance.

I've just switched to diesel and have discovered that diesel is not available on all fuel islands. They are either located on the end islands or a separate pump off the side. I haven't tried a truck island yet but have read on these forums some of the issues of truck islands; high flow pumps, having to go inside and pay, higher prices, a lot of fuel spill/water separator spill on the ground, rude truck drivers. My brother-in-law used to have a Duramax towing a 28' 5th wheel and used a truck island once and decided it wasn't worth it. He now has a gas Class C.
We really haven't altered our search for fuel ("Casita vs 25' AS"). Pulling with the short bed F150 is a longer package overall however, then pulling with Tahoe's we owned earlier. We love the Echoboost for our AS, and have considered a new diesel at some point. The diesel's do offer more power for sure, but the additional size, length, (over 1/2 ton short beds) and as others pointed out, fuel issues, have kept us in gas... always looking for something more efficient...
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Thanks for replies, very interesting comments about diesel refueling, good to know has issues too.

When on the road, we use propane to run refrigerator. I guess AS is the same, DC doesn't work that well? Maybe with 2 batteries, AS refrigerator works better on DC. Anyways, when refueling, we always stop to turn off the propane before refueling. I know many probably don't bother, but illegal to be at gas station with propane turned on in many jurisdictions, if not everywhere. I don't want to get a ticket, or be found negligent if there is a fire. So, I guess with AS I would still be making 2 stops to get gas, actually 3 stops including to turn propane back on.

I am seeing more reasons why larger trailers are more trouble. Not just on the road, but parking, refueling, finding camping spot, storage, ... Not that larger trailer isn't worth the extra trouble, but don't want to get larger trailer and be surprised.

The Ford F150 with EcoBoost seems to be very popular. I met one AS camper already with Ford F150 V6 with EcoBoost. He really liked it, said had lots of power when you needed it. I did a little research and found they can get too hot and fail, very expensive to repair. Hard to beat diesel for power, but diesels have issues too.

So far, fun the look, think about getting AS trailer. May drive wife nuts though. Cheers
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