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Old 07-18-2017, 03:41 PM   #15
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Finally got to CAT scale

I find many of the posted CAT scale receipts hard to read, so here is summary of mine. 2017 26U w/optional A/C, awnings (and that very heavy rearview camera). TV is 2017 3.5L XLT Ecoboost w/max tow. 1740lbs payload, GAWR front of 3450lbs and rear of 3800lbs.

For this weighing, loaded for 3 day trip w/dog, crate, 2 bikes, full fresh water, empty black/grey, nearly full fuel (maybe 5 gal less) and nearly full propane.
I was standing off scales, so just wife and dog in TV.

With BlueOx 1000lb bars and on 9 links from end (3 1/2 showing when hitched)
TV front 3060
rear 3460
AS 6060
Total 12,580

WD bars off hitch and in crewcab of TV.
TV front 2760
rear 3860
AS 5940
Total 12,560

TV only
front 3140
rear 2560
total 5700

So it looks like loaded Airstream is 6870 and tongue weight is 930lbs.

The HD doesn't quite get front of TV back to no trailer attached, but does get it to within 80lbs.

I still have a fair bit of load available on both TV and AS.

BTW - David, we have very similar TVs and Airstreams. I am curious what setting you use for your break controller. I have tried both 'low' and 'medium' without seeing much difference. I've also been turning 'off' the sway control on the TV per the comments in several threads regarding BO and F150s.

In all, very pleased with the tow performance of my F150! I know the trailer is back there, but at the 65mph max speed I tow, is very stable and nice towing experience. Will be going next month on a slightly longer trip with several decent grades to go up and down (at least for the south), so will have better idea how it does in those situations.
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Old 07-18-2017, 04:10 PM   #16
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Dave: I have the integrated brake controller effort set on "High" if memory serves, because I like for the trailer brakes to get a decent amount of juice before the hydraulic brakes start slowing things down, it just feels better to me if the trailer is braking first. I liked that about the boost settings on the Prodigy and was pleased to find an option that gets most of that feel from the F150.

I ran my first thousand miles or so on the 9th link from the loose end, and have since gone to the 10th link at Blue Ox's recommendation. I'm within 20 lb of the unladen front-axle weight, and transferring another hundred pounds than you are off the drive axle of the truck (I'm reducing drive-axle weight by 520 lb, you're reducing by 400). It feels like the anti-sway works better with the higher pre-load, too, but that's not a measured difference just a seat-of-the-pants thing.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:11 PM   #17
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Wow...how do you get to 10th link? Just a matter of raising tongue enough? 9th is tough, sometimes the link will just slide off the receiver notch as not quite enough is caught when starting to rotate the cam latch. When I rehooked up at CAT scale, had to have a slight angle between TV and trailer to catch first side, then drive forward a bit and angle to other side to catch other side.

Thanks for feedback on the brake controller. I will try 'high' and see how that works, this last trip I was leaving on 'medium'.
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Wow...how do you get to 10th link? Just a matter of raising tongue enough? 9th is tough, sometimes the link will just slide off the receiver notch as not quite enough is caught when starting to rotate the cam latch. When I rehooked up at CAT scale, had to have a slight angle between TV and trailer to catch first side, then drive forward a bit and angle to other side to catch other side.

Thanks for feedback on the brake controller. I will try 'high' and see how that works, this last trip I was leaving on 'medium'.
Setting that 10th link is non-trivial but once I got used to it I can reliably do it. I always use a 4x4 wood block under the tongue jack anyway, and start out with the foot extended as much as possible. It'll lift the tongue enough to get that link in "the notch" pretty reliably, though i'm sure there might be some site where it won't work, e.g. if the trailer is nose-down but the truck is nose-up. I didn't think I'd be able to get it set on the 10th but it hasn't been a problem once I figured it out.
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Old 07-19-2017, 05:04 AM   #19
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Thanks, I will try to get to 10th link. I do use 4x4 under jack but don't think I raise it fully.
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Congratulation's from another 26U owner. Love our twin layout. Since1-14-16
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:31 PM   #21
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Hello 2018 26 RBT owners. Help. I picked up a new 26 RBT on December 30 in Houston, Texas. I got a great price and interest rate. Sales guy and finance were outstanding. They added a R6 1000 Easi-Lift for weight distribution. I drove it to my storage unit and I was very disappointed with the ride and the jerky ride of the trailer on the hitch. I knew something was out of whack. I had a smaller AS before this with a Equalizer Hitch and it was very smooth and never jerky or “off”. In addition, the 7 way from the AS did not seat into the 7 way on the truck. I called the giant dealership and had problems with communicating the problems. After talking to the salesman, service manager and their customer service we got synced up and I made an appointment for today. I had an appointment with a service guy that was their AS specialist and he was not there. Then I got the run around about my problems weren’t their problems... “that’s the way it works, it’s my truck, F150 2015 Platinum with Eco Boost 3.5 and tow package won’t tow it, etc... “. the front end of the truck sits up in the air a little, it is not engaged properly and not weight distributed. also they argued with me about the 7 way, that it was making contact and it was fine. However, I pushed back when they acted like I wasn’t there and were saying it was all fine... they sent the Shop Foreman or Asst. to look and he agreed that the 7 way was not seating inside the connector and that the weight distribution had moved or slipped on the paint. You could see it had moved by the scrape on the paint. The foreman and another very positive guy (good guy bad guy) told me they cut off the 7 way on the AS. It was defective molding and would not fit into my ford 7 way receiver. Also they were going the shim the weight distribution hitch so it would not move again and it would prevent it from shifting and causing problems. We went out to the truck and AS and the front of the truck was sitting up still. They said that’s just the way it is and I can always add an air bag to the rear of the truck if I want it level.
I love the AS 26. Really nice AS. I am very disappointed with the service department and I am not satisfied at all. I think they put the wrong weight distribution system on it and I was shocked that they couldn’t figure out the 7 way connector. Now I have a lousy weight distribution system and a cut off AS umbilical. My wife and I were expecting a seamless, happy process and now this has been so difficult and still not resolved. I would have been very happy to get a blue ox or Helmsley or another proper sized Equalizer. They could have sold me the best piece of equipment and I would not have flinched at all.
I have a bad taste in my mouth now and I made them mad. Now I am worried they will not do a great job on warranty items.
What would you do at this point? I will call Airstream and talk to them about how bad this was. Am I being unrealistic about the weight distribution system? I guess I can become the expert and take it off and go get another one that will work. I am somewhat mechanically inclined. It’s a shame. They won’t do their job and stand behind their work.
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I've been very happy with my 26U and F150 combination. I also noticed the issue with the 7wire connection to the truck. It appears to be friction only with no tactile feedback that the connection is 'solid'. I've just learned to live with it and haven't had any problems to date.

Moving my BlueOx to 10th link solved the towing issues I had, agree your wd hitch isn't set up right.

I've had this now for almost 8 months and put about 5 thousand miles on it and slept in it 41 nights.

Impressions so far:
1) Door was hard to close and very hard to open. Finally so hard to unlock I called out a locksmith rather than breaking off key in the lock. He was able to unlock it and told me to use lithium spray on the metal to metal parts of the locking mechanism and silicon spray on lock and other parts. Now works like a charm, very easy to lock/unlock and wife no longer has to throw all her weight on the door handle to get it to open.

2) Really like the new Dometic heat pump that came with the 2017. Has a defrost cycle so works down to near 32 degrees. Old heat pumps aren't much good below 40 degrees as they will ice up. Still on first propane tank and have camped several places where it got down to 20s, but furnace only ran a short while as heat pump kept trailer warm until 4 or 5 am when the furnace would kick on (the handoff betwen heat pump and furnace is all automatic and controlled by the thermostat).

3) Found that 3 pillows work best for sleeping in the twin bed. One small pillow to block the USB blue light. One pillow against the wall to block my arm touching the cold aluminum, and one pillow to sleep on. Really sleep well, the mattress is very comfortable.

4) Have only been at one campsite that had cable provided. Didn't think the Samsung TVs could pick it up, but another camper gave me a heads up on turning off the antenna amplifier then everything was fine.

5) Really like the 'U' dinette. My wife and I only take one half of the table and that is sufficient. Really is comfortable for each of us to take a side and watch TV or relax. Same with TV in the bedroom, very comfortable to relax and watch TV or read.

6) Have really like the combined shower/toilet. Room to move about.

7) Finally put on Fantastic Fan vent cover. Should have done sooner. Not parked inside, so any rain was always closing the vent. I'm not a big fan of heights so procrastinate, but really no problem with an extension ladder to get on roof.

Can't compare with any other trailer or RV as this is our first, but we are just very pleased with how comfortable this is to camp in and tow.
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I've been very happy with my 26U and F150 combination. I also noticed the issue with the 7wire connection to the truck. It appears to be friction only with no tactile feedback that the connection is 'solid'. I've just learned to live with it and haven't had any problems to date.



Moving my BlueOx to 10th link solved the towing issues I had, agree your wd hitch isn't set up right.



I've had this now for almost 8 months and put about 5 thousand miles on it and slept in it 41 nights.



Impressions so far:

1) Door was hard to close and very hard to open. Finally so hard to unlock I called out a locksmith rather than breaking off key in the lock. He was able to unlock it and told me to use lithium spray on the metal to metal parts of the locking mechanism and silicon spray on lock and other parts. Now works like a charm, very easy to lock/unlock and wife no longer has to throw all her weight on the door handle to get it to open.



2) Really like the new Dometic heat pump that came with the 2017. Has a defrost cycle so works down to near 32 degrees. Old heat pumps aren't much good below 40 degrees as they will ice up. Still on first propane tank and have camped several places where it got down to 20s, but furnace only ran a short while as heat pump kept trailer warm until 4 or 5 am when the furnace would kick on (the handoff betwen heat pump and furnace is all automatic and controlled by the thermostat).



3) Found that 3 pillows work best for sleeping in the twin bed. One small pillow to block the USB blue light. One pillow against the wall to block my arm touching the cold aluminum, and one pillow to sleep on. Really sleep well, the mattress is very comfortable.



4) Have only been at one campsite that had cable provided. Didn't think the Samsung TVs could pick it up, but another camper gave me a heads up on turning off the antenna amplifier then everything was fine.



5) Really like the 'U' dinette. My wife and I only take one half of the table and that is sufficient. Really is comfortable for each of us to take a side and watch TV or relax. Same with TV in the bedroom, very comfortable to relax and watch TV or read.



6) Have really like the combined shower/toilet. Room to move about.



7) Finally put on Fantastic Fan vent cover. Should have done sooner. Not parked inside, so any rain was always closing the vent. I'm not a big fan of heights so procrastinate, but really no problem with an extension ladder to get on roof.



Can't compare with any other trailer or RV as this is our first, but we are just very pleased with how comfortable this is to camp in and tow.


Do you like the Blue Ox? What is the year of your F-150, model, etc... I had a 20 FC 2015 and pulled it with a Jeep Grand Cherokee then purchased the 2015 F-150 Platinum. I am really enjoying it. Thank you for sharing your experience!
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Do you like the Blue Ox? What is the year of your F-150, model, etc... I had a 20 FC 2015 and pulled it with a Jeep Grand Cherokee then purchased the 2015 F-150 Platinum. I am really enjoying it. Thank you for sharing your experience!


I had the covers for the fans on my FC 20. I thought it looked sharp and provided some shade in the day instead of sunlight. I will get the covers again once I get over my dealer/weight distribution issues. Errrr...!
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Do you like the Blue Ox? What is the year of your F-150, model, etc... I had a 20 FC 2015 and pulled it with a Jeep Grand Cherokee then purchased the 2015 F-150 Platinum. I am really enjoying it. Thank you for sharing your experience!
I like the Blue Ox, although nothing to compare it to. Installed myself. Use the 1000 lb bars with the 26U (tongue weight around 940lbs).

2017 F-150 XLT Fx4 with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Payload 1740 lbs. So far has been fine with the climbs we've done, although haven't been out west yet. BTW - just discovered last week it has the heated seats. Also really like seeing the tire pressures on the display, that with the TPS for the trailer tire pressures makes it real easy to check all the tires before heading out.
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I switched from Blue Ox to the Andersen and am very pleased. The Blue Ox Head is a heavy beast and the ride was awful. Hard and jerky. Blue Ox is for sale at 375.00
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I also noticed the issue with the 7wire connection to the truck. It appears to be friction only with no tactile feedback that the connection is 'solid'. I've just learned to live with it and haven't had any problems to date.
Me too, with a Tundra. I almost took the truck to a dealer to see if the plug was pushed in.
Once the brake controller said, "No trailer connected" and I panicked. But a wiggle restored the connection.
I do make sure the latch on the plug cover hooks the 7 way, but I see a lot of folks use a rubber band or velcro strap to further secure the plug.

Anyway, I find the 26U to be perfect for me. I have the queen, but after seeing the extra outside storage with the twin, I can see why people get that.
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