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Old 12-23-2011, 11:13 AM   #15
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Old 12-23-2011, 11:39 AM   #16
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raodsterinfl - you are experiencing what many have found on Airforums - there is alot of comparison, reviews, and personal opinion on TRUCKS. Your original post was on what camper you would like to have and the reasons for and against interior models and sizes there of. You already have a truck, it is new, you are not likely to trade it back in and take the loss - therefore you need a TT that will fit what you have and what you want. I would look at the 25 foot trailers to start with. My reasoning is the lower end of the size with double axles (safety while towing and more capacity). You will be living in it so comfort begins with a full size bath and bed. More room to have company and some storage of the basic needs for 3-5 days of not leaving the trailer if needed (and more once you learn your needs in a trailer). Not so big that most remote campgrounds have sites to fit - too big and you will find some are limited in size alloed. Good kitchen layout and a fridge that can store more than a half gallon of milk and 6 eggs with seperate freezer section.

There - lets move on to the trailer needs and away from the truck deconstruction. There are enough threads to do that in.

BTW - welcome to the forums - I still say get to a rally soon and see the trailers in use - you could get some idea on alot of options and what works and what does not.

Mike - an F-250 owner without any tow limits that are reasonable for a TT.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:47 PM   #17
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Question Sway control....

" the truck has sway control"

POI....be aware that the on board TV "sway control" only comes into play after the sway starts.

Working sway control is a function of hitch design and should not be overlooked in this application.

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Old 12-23-2011, 11:52 PM   #18
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Thank you for the comments and, you are correct Clancy_Boy, the truck is purchased. My purpose now is to learn about Airstream Trailers. Robert, yes you are absolutely correct about sway. I owned a boat. I will say though that the video explains how the truck uses braking technology to immediately counteract sway. At any rate, I purchased what I believe is a vehicle quite capable of towing either a 23' or 25' trailer.

It sounds as if the majority of current posting owners favor the 25' based on my description of needs. I will definitely spend time in both when I can get to a dealer. I count seven advantages of the 25' over the 23' so far. Now I need to consider if they matter in my usage. Any additional comments would be helpful and I hope these comments help others looking at these same two sizes. I will say that used ones are not easy to find. I kinda like the pictures of the international models but I do not know what they have over the flying clouds for a price increase. The one trailer with the island theme is interesting but now I understand only available used. I will probably buy used based on the prices I am finding.

I have been in contact with a dealer and inquired about a 23' international 2007 or 8 cannot remember year but they wanted 49K and would not budge and told me I could get a new flying cloud 23 cheaper ?!?! Makes no sense. They now sold the used international.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:25 AM   #19
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Try Sutton in Eugene OR. Here is a listing that I looked at in October. I bet they want it GONE, they quoted me this in mid October.

If you pull up 2365 on our website at you will note that the MSRP price is $60,239.00. Our cost of this unit with the Pre Delivery Inspection is $47,778.00. If payed for this month I would take any offer between these numbers to the boss and get it done for you.

http://www.suttonrv.com/2011-airstre...ler-or-i198523

It may be a haul to go get her but the trip would be well worth it!

Good luck on your search.
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Old 12-24-2011, 05:37 AM   #20
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Try the Tampa RV show in January 2012...I think the 11th thru the 15th. Its usually sponsored by Bates RV...local Airstream dealer who usually brings alot of Airstreams to the show.
There is also a wonderful Airstream RV dealer in Alachua (by Gainesville), Sanders RV, that has great customer service.
The idea of traveling to Destin FL for CanOpener in January is a great suggestion. There will be alot of Airstreams with alot of 'streamers who love to talk about their Airstreams....
Good luck in your search, if you're ever in Central FL, just let us know, we'll be glad to show you 'Belle.
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:25 PM   #21
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We had a 1st generation '02 Tundra with the 4.6 L. V8 and I believed it was not a strong enough engine to pull the 25' FB Safari. Later in that 1st generation run, the engine was modified for more hp and torque, but I think I still would have gone with the larger engine. So I think the Ford you already have will tow a 25', but will be straining on steep and long grades. So, I suppose it is ok, but not a perfect match in my opinion. But as I said before, others tow with comparable trucks and are happy. You'll have the Airstream longer than you have the truck, so get the size and model right the first time.

Since Tundra bed bounce was mentioned, the only time I have experienced something that may be bed bounce was on certain concrete expressways with the joints at a distance that seems to resonate with the suspension. Most of the complaints I have seen (on another forum) seemed to come from S. Cal. where there appear to be a lot of road like that—I know, I've been there. But I have felt it on a relatively new section of I-70 east of Denver and a few other times on concrete highways. Just hang on and it will end soon. Out of 68,000 miles on the Tundra, there have been no more than 150 or 200 miles like that (yes, my teeth felt like they would fall out, but they didn't). If you commute in S. Cal., it could be very different.

You asked if you can dress in the bathroom? The bathrooms are all a bit different, but all are pretty small. Depends on your size and your tolerance for small spaces. But if you are alone, you can dress anywhere….

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Old 12-27-2011, 07:46 PM   #22
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Just to repeat something above - we go to the Tampa show almost every year. Bates is only about 20 minutes further down the road. They typically bring a full assortment of models to the show - they have a big corner of one of the display buildings inside.

With a F-150, the big wide roads of Florida, and what I've seen of campgrounds there (big spots) - I'd be buying a 25' myself for my wife and I. If I was traveling solo, and didn't care to cook that much (due to the tiny galley countertop), a 23D or 23 with the front L-lounge would do the trick. But fuel economy really isn't going to be better vs a 25-footer.

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Old 12-31-2011, 02:53 PM   #23
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Greetings

Well just got back from a day outing at Bates RV in Tampa. It is about a 3-hour drive north. I followed your advice and sat on the throne, got in the shower, laid on the beds, sat on the couches and dinettes, etc. I now have a much better idea of what is what.

Now, I will share my findings.

Perceived need: As a single, with occasional 2 other person needs, wanting to share only a few weeks at most then on my own other times for up to two months.

Best matches: (smallest) 23' CNB DBL> Pros - best layout for space roll away table is the bomb - better than the wheel-well dinette IMO of the 23FB.
Cons: The corner bath sucks. I am 5'8" and my knees were in the shower while on the throne chair. could not close the door of the bath with any space to move. The bed would be hard to make.
(larger) 25' FBT This model had it all. The twin beds make for a great access point to overhead cabinets. The middle bath is easily accessible. The dinette in the rear is also nice. I liked this one the best. Oh and I am fine with either the Flying Cloud or International. I would want the lighter international walls though. That dark really closed the space off.

Now comes the "used hunt"!!!! Thank you for your help and all the suggestions. I will still go to the show next month to see other trailers too. I like Airstream a lot but am not absolutely must have that brand per se in my thoughts.
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:09 AM   #24
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The Safari/Flying Cloud does not necessarily have dark walls. It depends how they are outfitted inside. Ours (a Safari SE) has aluminium interior with light colored partitions. Keep looking.

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Old 01-01-2012, 01:37 PM   #25
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I'm guessing that rodsterinfl means an International that doesn't have the CCD Wenge laminate interior - that limits it to an Ocean Breeze or Serenity. We've got the same preference.

Are there Safari SEs or Flying Clouds with different-colored partitions? Thought they were all the light-wood interior throughout.

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Old 01-02-2012, 10:50 AM   #26
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Are there Safari SEs or Flying Clouds with different-colored partitions? Thought they were all the light-wood interior throughout.

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Tom, ours has a fairly light colored fake wood Formica. Because of the nature of the surface (smooth and a bit glossy) it reflects light to keep away the dark. As for the rest, I don't remember much.

The SE (Special Edition) model was, I believe, the top version of the Safaris and positioned between the regular Safaris and the International. We saw it as having pretty much what the International had that we liked without the additional cost. What we didn't like on the Internationals were the slider doors on the upper cabinets—it is too easy to catch your fingers when you open or close those doors (ouch!).

We also got the light colored (tan) cushions. The fabric is cheap and poorly cut. It is unlined so it can slide around on the foam rubber interior. It gets dirty easily and is hard to clean. But it is a light color. Light colors not only reflect light, but create a feeling of a larger interior.

There were hundreds (maybe more) of these produced in mid-decade and some should be available for sale.

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Gene, while we're on the subject - have you had any problems with hinge screws pulling out of those overhead cabinet doors? Looked at a new Flying Cloud whose bathroom medicine cabinet/mirror door had already pulled off. (I don't think that dealership is still in the Airstream business.)

I was thinking that the International sliding doors would be somewhat simpler, although they do comparatively restrict access. I also like the pretty translucent panels...

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When I was looking, a couple people told me the sliding doors sometimes had problems staying shut, and that they were just translucent enough to mean you had to keep the insides looking neat.
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