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Old 03-23-2015, 09:26 PM   #15
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Good luck and hope you do not shoot yourself in the foot when you "pull the trigger".
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Old 03-23-2015, 09:30 PM   #16
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If you are an "adaptable" type of person, there is nothing you cant do. Some call it confidence, I call it faith. Owning an Airstream is an awesome life experience.
There is a learning curve with it all, and each AS has it's own personality.
They tow like nothing else and it is something I look forward to. They need a little of this and a little of that from time to time. Don't feel pressured about your purchase. Find the one you like best and call out on the forum for someone to do an inspection for you.
I hope you enjoy your new Airstream. Welcome to the forum!
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:52 PM   #17
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When you say, "I couldn't find a newer unit I liked more...it just feels right" I think you answered the question of whether to buy this, or a new one. There is no reason you have to go new, if you love this one. New ones can have issues, just as older ones can. Just try to ensure there are no hidden defects, like a soggy place under the flooring resulting from a leak. What has the dealer done to check it out? How are the tires? You probably need new ones if they are original equipment. How are the batteries? What kind of hitch will you use? As an older female, wrestling with the weight distribution bars on the hitch is the part I really cant imagine doing alone.


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Old 03-24-2015, 12:51 AM   #18
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Pick a hitch system that is easy to hook up and disconnect. I use a ProPride, some use Hensley designs but other designs use bars that don't have to be installed or removed, just adjusted. Look through the hitch discussions and see what works best for you.

I had a conventional WD hitch that required snapping very heavy bars int place by lifting them into place while on my knees, then levering a chain into position, and flat found it too be too darn hard, and I'm not a small guy. Using a wrench on the ProPride or other design WD jacks is a heck of a lot easier, among other points of that design.

Look into hitch systems carefully. They can require a great deal of force or lifting in awkward positions.


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Old 03-24-2015, 02:18 AM   #19
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Hi TastyT:

I really don't want to rain on your parade, but you sound very eager. GO SLOW! Can you REALLY afford this?

Everyone here will be happy to help you spend your money. No one here will be asking you to move in with them if you come upon hard times.

It is impossible to give you a reality check without understanding your financial position better. I assume that like most of us you aren't swimming in money. If I'm not correct just plunk down a wad of cash on a new Land Yacht and hire Bill Gates to tow you from campsite to campsite.

If I am correct, you'll really need to provide more information before some of us are going to happily extend our reassurance. Are you working? What will you do for income while on the road? Do you have health insurance? Do you have any dependents? Will you need to finance the purchase? What other financial obligations do you have? Do you have at LEAST a six month emergency cash surplus? Do you have a retirement plan? Is it adequately funded on it's current course to keep you out of the poorhouse when you're much older? Will you be pulling money out of your retirement plan to pay for any part of this adventure? Do you have cash available for all of the startup supplies that you'll need? Hoses, cords, generators, tools, decorations, bedding, new tires, and on and on - it all can add up very quickly.

Some of us old-timers would tell you that if you have to finance it you can't afford it. Something to think about.

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Old 03-24-2015, 06:50 AM   #20
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Do it. As to trailering and backing up et al. Ask the dealership to take you someplace and show you and then let you practice. Usually a large dealership will have a "yard jockey", the one person who gets those trailers and motorhomes so close together and lined up neatly, have him or her show you what and how to do it. A CDL school could help but are usually very expensive.

As someone else said, you will probably need new tires, see it they will include them in the deal, and see if they will upgrade you to 16" Michelin LT tires. Also have the dealer include the new batteries. Then ask the dealer to warranty the unit for one year.

In sales if you don't ask, it will never happen. So ask for everything you want, even write it down, all they can do is say no, or YES.

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Old 03-24-2015, 11:32 AM   #21
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Extended warranty - I read through your thread on what was covered. For $3000. How much of that stuff would have to break to have it cost $3000? Your refrigerator might go out and spoil food - but the parts most likely to fail would cost $55 to $200. Could you break an axle? Yes. In the first two years due to a defect - Airstream would pay for the replacement. If it lasts over 2 years odds are it won't fail for a defect in the next 20 years. Suspension? Beyond the axles and shocks what IS an Airstream's suspension?

Put the $3000 in the bank - spend it on repairs IF they are needed.


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Old 03-24-2015, 12:16 PM   #22
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Good comments all around. I offer some insight to the issue raised by rmkrum -

"I had a conventional WD hitch that required snapping very heavy bars int place by lifting them into place while on my knees, then levering a chain into position, and flat found it too be too darn hard, and I'm not a small guy. Using a wrench on the ProPride or other design WD jacks is a heck of a lot easier, among other points of that design. Look into hitch systems carefully. They can require a great deal of force or lifting in awkward positions."

For conventional WD bars - An alternative method is to place the tongue on the ball, lock it, and then use the power jack to lift the trailer (& TV rear end) upwards to slightly above the riding height. It is then possible to set the bars in place, lock the latches/chains, and drop the power jack back into the 'ready to travel' position. It only requires a few pounds of pressure to 'snap' the WD bar catches.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:20 PM   #23
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Greetings all! Single woman here, seriously considering pulling the trigger on purchasing a 2010 27’ CCD International Signature. I used to fulltime with my ex-sweetie in a 24’ Class A ’71 Grumman, and would plan to use the AS for full-timing between 6-8 months of the year after some initial smaller trips/practice period. I’m getting a lot of results when I try to search these topics separately, so thought I could maybe toss out a few of my current hesitations for expert input - ? Need to make a decision in next day or two.

- Ticket prices on new are staggering to me, but then there’s the new ducted AC to consider, and several folks have advised me, ‘you’re just going to trade in later anyway’… I've never purchased anything this expensive aside from my house, but the price on the 2010 at least seems in the realm of the do-able. I hate the thought of eating that initial depreciation on a 2015. I see ‘buy gently used’ offered as advice on here, but not sure if that applies when such a major new improvement as the AC had been rolled out. I initially was thinking to buy & restore a vintage, but ultimately deemed it to be way beyond my skillset/tolerance.

- Should I spring for an extended warranty on the 2010? $3k for 4 years.

- Ok to store her in my unpaved (Florida sandy soil) driveway for now? I'd consider paving later after a proving period.

- Am I going to be able to handle a 27’ alone? Awning opening, hitching, etc.? I’m youngish (42) and pretty strong, but I’m petite, and jeez – I couldn't even reach both handles to open the window over the dinette yesterday with the table up.

Have to buy a TV too (thinking Tundra right now; an early 2000s model I can just pay cash for) but I know there’s a ton of threads on here addressing TV questions.
What's the price range on the 2010 27' ?

There seem to be discounts on new/nearly new from the high volume dealerships that make the price delta not what you'd expect vs used.
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Old 03-24-2015, 03:36 PM   #24
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The bars in my prior hitch, a Husky brand WD only setup, had to be lifted into sockets on the TV side and snapped in, then the tension had to be applied. I did use the jack to assist setting the tension, still do on the ProPride. The issue I was having is installing the bars every time I hitched up was a heavy, greasy pain in the butt. For ProPride or Hensley designs, it's just insert stinger in truck (typically once per trip) then back in, hook up, tension and go. No lifting bars into TV end of hitch. The stinger is heavy, yes, but easier to put into the TV receiver in my experience. And yes, it does take practice to get stinger into the head. Now that I have a backup camera it's super easy...

Just saying look into what has to be lifted, manipulated, or tensioned before you settle on a hitch system. It makes a difference. I'm not pushing the Hensley designs at this point (unusual for me, I know!)


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Old 03-24-2015, 03:50 PM   #25
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Last bits of advice - Canadian prices ALWAYS seem to be a bit high to me - but that could be the exchange rate too. First calculate whatever the price is in Canada in US dollars. If your Airstream is going to live in Florida and travel mainly in the USA... maybe just maybe it makes more sense to buy it here. Though honestly I have no idea what problems might arise if you took it into Canada as a Canadian citizen. I'd presume they'd want you to pay import duties but "used import" vs. new? And then there are some differences in wiring codes between the two countries and I know that even horizontal propane tanks have issues since they can't use OPD valves...................

......... oh why did I even start that thought???

Buy the one you like and enjoy it - It'll drive you nuts trying to mess with all of the international issues.

You're 41
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you might not love your medical system but it gives you a safety net
get good insurance on the Airstream
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If the whole thing turns to crap, sell it and you still have years to recover from the mis-step

If you die young.... don't be saying "I wish I'd bought that Airstream..." So the family doesn't get a big fat juicy inheritance? If they are bright and ambitious they'll earn their own. If they're stupid they'll blow yours in a year! Avant! Damn the Torpedos, full speed ahead!

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Old 03-25-2015, 09:13 AM   #26
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Hi TastyT:

I really don't want to rain on your parade, but you sound very eager. GO SLOW! Can you REALLY afford this?

Everyone here will be happy to help you spend your money. No one here will be asking you to move in with them if you come upon hard times.

It is impossible to give you a reality check without understanding your financial position better. I assume that like most of us you aren't swimming in money. If I'm not correct just plunk down a wad of cash on a new Land Yacht and hire Bill Gates to tow you from campsite to campsite.

If I am correct, you'll really need to provide more information before some of us are going to happily extend our reassurance. Are you working? What will you do for income while on the road? Do you have health insurance? Do you have any dependents? Will you need to finance the purchase? What other financial obligations do you have? Do you have at LEAST a six month emergency cash surplus? Do you have a retirement plan? Is it adequately funded on it's current course to keep you out of the poorhouse when you're much older? Will you be pulling money out of your retirement plan to pay for any part of this adventure? Do you have cash available for all of the startup supplies that you'll need? Hoses, cords, generators, tools, decorations, bedding, new tires, and on and on - it all can add up very quickly.

Some of us old-timers would tell you that if you have to finance it you can't afford it. Something to think about.

Good luck!
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>Some of us old-timers would tell you that if you have to finance it you can't >afford it. Something to think about.

Even more so a depreciating asset like a RV. Despite any stories you might have heard that Jay leno bought somebodys restored classic for big money .... RVs are a *depreciating* asset. Things with engines in them deprecate x2 as fast. Initial hit plus your transaction costs. Look at the 20 year 5% table and you'll be underwater for 15+ years on that loan. So if the marriage to the machine doesn't work out,and half of them or more don't, you'll be paying approximately $10s of K at the divorce.

I recently purchased new and am under no illusions that this was anything but an extreme luxury personal mid life indulgence with some relatively "found money".

> Everyone here will be happy to help you spend your money. No one here will >be asking you to move in with them if you come upon hard times.

If you are committed to trying the lifestyle out there are ways to manage the cost if you can be patient. But still talking $$$.

Buy a used and carefully selected and inspected 5-6 Year old trailer. This is the average ownership period on RVs so a buyer with self-restraint is in the driver seat. Starting at 45% of retail will cushion you.

Go the Canadian way and select an appropriately sized TV, say 3-4 years old. You can tow safely with a relatively new good output V6 Sedan, Minivan and some SUVs properly set up and the process will make you safer. Fuel and Capital savings on a more driveable vehicle attached and not. If your used vehicle is 1/2 new price and 1/2 the size of the person who bought an over sized truck you are at 25% of what they paid for their TV.

If you are worried about the cost of your vacation all the time, you might not enjoy it.
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>Some of us old-timers would tell you that if you have to finance it you can't >afford it. Something to think about.

Even more so a depreciating asset like a RV. Despite any stories you might have heard that Jay leno bought somebodys restored classic for big money .... RVs are a *depreciating* asset. Things with engines in them deprecate x2 as fast. Initial hit plus your transaction costs. Look at the 20 year 5% table and you'll be underwater for 15+ years on that loan. So if the marriage to the machine doesn't work out,and half of them or more don't, you'll be paying approximately $10s of K at the divorce.
I agree with everything you say - nonetheless I did finance the balance on my new to me 2012 Eddie Bauer. The insurance payoff on the wrecked 06 Safari was very fair. I could have bought another 06 Safari for that amount; but not a newer, fancier model.

MY EXCEPTION - I HAD the cash available to buy the newer A/S. I got a rate of 3.58 or something close to that... using "OPM" at 3.58 interetsa no-brainer. And I'm frugal, not cheap, just frugal. SO... I double, triple or sixtuple my payments. Balance falling rapidly to the floor, paying a modest amount of interest and still have lots of cash sitting in the bank for any impulsive to necessary thing I need/want. Bad times hit, I pay off the loan, still have cash, retreat to camps covered with the "America the Beautiful pass" and geezer it out.

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Welcome tastytreks! I don't post much but lurk often. I'd like to add my 2 cents with respect to hooking up and unhooking alone. I'm not single but often take our trailer and set it up at a campground by myself. It takes a little longer than if I would have a "spotter" but I do it all the time. Sometimes, I get self-appointed spotters at the campgrounds who are more of a hindrance than if I did it myself. I've learned to do most everything on the trailer by myself so if I ever decide to run away from home, I can! BTW, I'm in my early 50's and not afraid to try anything once.
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