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Old 05-19-2008, 08:38 PM   #43
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Look at the classifieds here. Far less likely to get scammed than on e-bay. My 31' is a 1986 model. Perfect? No. Paid for? Yes. Miles over past two years, 25,000.



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Old 05-19-2008, 08:51 PM   #44
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Don't forget that if you go with an older model, Airstream didn't start adding gray water tanks until 1973. Just something else to consider.


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Old 05-19-2008, 09:04 PM   #45
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A lot of good tips here. For me, I wanted something I could enjoy without working on it all the time. First thing was to determine what our needs were;
Rv parks and boondocking, type of roads and distances we would realistically travel, size and comfort for short and long trips and what we considered essentials to outfit a TT. Then I searched for RV's that handled (towed) well, were built to last and functional for our present and future lifestyle. Relatively speakng, any price you pay is worth it providing you use and enjoy it without any buyers remorse. Good luck and don't give up on the questions and research. You'll be much happier in the end. Larry
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Old 05-19-2008, 10:08 PM   #46
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All great points and info. Thanks to all of you. I will keep checking and the CCD's do look pretty good BTW.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:50 PM   #47
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I own a 1999 Casita Patriot 13. I also own a 2008 Safari Sport 17.

Both are easy to tow. Obviously the AS is a bit longer, well, more than a bit, about 4 feet longer. The finish is better. More interior room. But having said that, I can't say that the AS is "better" than the Casita, as the two units, for me, serve two different purposes. We loved using our Casita for the type of camping that we usually do, remote camping offroad in swampy, snake-infested, gumbo muddy backwoods. I own 160 acres of very remote land in north central louisiana, and our campsite is has a little river cutting across a section of the land. The land starts more than a mile from the nearest paved road, so a 4wd is a must. We drag that little Casita back there through mud, under water, across logs, dodging big trees, wild pigs, and crazy hunters. But we also like to experience more "normal" camping, which is why we decided to buy the Safari Sport 17 last summer. I am concluding a post on the "On The Road" forum about a recent trip to North Carolina. I wouldn't think of taking that trip in the Casita now, but a year ago it would have been fine. The AS Sport spoiled us for that. On the other hand I wouldn't consider taking the AS Sport back on my swampland, which is a shame because I love the land and I really really like the Airstream. With 6.1 inches of ground clearance the Safari Sport wouldn't make it 100 feet. The Casita doesn't care if it encounters logs, ruts, holes, craters, dead possums, water mocs, or alligators. It goes where my F250 goes. Keeps us dry. Gives us a place to sleep. Oh yeah, cost about one-fifth of what the Airstream cost. Even though the Airstream bathroom, at 1/3 the room of the entire trailer cost about $10,000, that hot shower is worth every penny. The Casita has no shower, no toilet, no holding tanks, but has never seen a swamp it couldn't handle. All said, our next trailer will be another Airstream. And our next trip back on my land will be with that old beatup Casita.
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Old 05-21-2008, 10:08 PM   #48
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Hi, jdthor. Thank you for you real life experiences with the Casita and Airstream. Basically put, the Casita has the advantage for roughing it in both off roading and interior amenitys; And the Airstream is more suited for luxury camping and better roads. Have you thought about taking about 10% of that land and making a campground? What does someone do with 160 acres? Farm? [1/8 acre city dweller]

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Old 05-22-2008, 06:13 AM   #49
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That land was purchased in 1890 by my then 20-year old grandfather. During the depression that land supported his family of 10, which included my Mom, now in her 80's. 80 acres of the land is wet and swampy, like a scary movie, but the other 80 acres (and the hardest to get to) rises out of the swamp into a field of dry sandy soil. That was the part that my Grandfather farmed and sold produce from. In 1959 my uncle had the foresight to plant the 80 acres with longleaf pine trees (about 20,000 seedlings, I think). My Mom, as the youngest child eventually inherited the property. The trees are managed by a forestry company and period cut for revenue for her. Last year we clear-cut the remaining 50-year mature trees and replanted this year. Management of that falls to me, and the benefit will be passed to my sister's children and their children. As I mentioned, the land has a river that cuts across the northernmost corner, which is where we camp. We can account for four generations that use that spot, and I hope many more generations follow. By the way, the first 80 acres, the swampy part, is actually more valuable as it is loaded with virgin uncut "old growth" cypress. We have resisted doing anything with that part, but I can't speak for those relatives that will inherit that as we pass it on. For now my wife and I enjoy going out there and talking about those pioneers that must have spent time out there in years past. Some LSU researchers told me that they had discovered in the area some artifacts from way way back, maybe 10,000 years, but those spots are not publicized. Our property is not too far from Poverty Point, which you can google for historical info about past civilizations.

In any event, I share your conclusions about the comparisons of the Casita and the Airstream. I would gladly pay a premium for an Airstream that was rugged, offroad worthy, and comfortable as a typical Safari. I had high hopes for the Basecamp, but it didn't quite fit the bill for us. That $10,000 shower and bathroom did it!
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:39 AM   #50
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Very interesting history of the land and great comparison of usages between your Airstream and Casita. You have the best of all worlds to enjoy all your traveling and camping needs.

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Old 05-22-2008, 10:51 AM   #51
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Why Airstream?

Only an Airstream is built like an Airstream......

Only Airstream offers the Wally Byam way of life....

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Old 05-27-2008, 09:57 PM   #52
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So, what length AS would be good to use living in for 1 or 2 people?, 19, 22', for a few months at a time?
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:07 PM   #53
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There is no easy answer, it is very personal and subjective - depending on your wants, needs, lifestyle, how much you will travel vs stay in one spot, what kind of tow vehicle, etc.
Here are a couple of threads to get you started.
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:56 AM   #54
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Thanks. Is there that much of a difference between the 19 and 22 footers?
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:38 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by gc24
Thanks. Is there that much of a difference between the 19 and 22 footers?
Depends on what year, and how both are equipped.
22 is generally a two axle trailer, unless you get a 1960's or older model.
I attended a rally where a couple had just purchased a 19' Bambi. Before the rally was over, they had traded up to a 22, and were very happy with it. If you have the tow vehicle for it, and can afford it, I would recommend the larger trailer, the extra 3' means a lot inside. The two axles tend to be a little more stable, less sway, when towing as well.
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Thanks, good info.

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