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Old 07-04-2016, 09:33 AM   #1
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Can someone please check my numbers and logic?

After 14 years away from camping, the nest is finally empty and we are ready to get back into it. We had a 25'11" AS in our previous camping life. We will use the new AS for trips from 4 or 5 days to 6 weeks with a few hotel breaks along the way to break up longer trips. We tend to use the trailer for sleeping and shelter and like to spend as much time outside as possible. We prefer Provincial and State Parks to commercial campgrounds so maneuverability is a consideration. The 23FB seems to work well for us and we hope to buy a 2017 in October in the hope that this is a high discount time of the year to buy in our part of the world (British Columbia). A queen bed is important to us as we are both quite tall (6'2" and 5'11").

We have a 2016 F150 Platinum 3.5L EcoBoost 4x4 SuperCrew with a 5'5" box. We love the truck but it may be a bit marginal as a TV. It can tow 10,700 lbs so this is obviously not an issue. The stickered payload is 1,585 lbs with full fuel which is more of an issue. We have an aftermarket tonneau cover and spray in bedliner. That will drop the payload to about 1,500 lbs. My wife and I weigh 325 lbs between us. My conservative guess is that a hitch weighs 100 lbs. Assuming a conservative 13% hitch weight at the max weight of 6,000 lbs for the 23FB (780 lbs), that leaves us with 295 lbs of capacity in the truck for other "stuff". A weight distributing hitch would improve this slightly.

The 23FB has a net carrying capacity of 1,194 lbs after accounting for batteries and propane. This drops to 867 lbs with the water tanks filled. At a conservative guess, this drops to 750 lbs with solar panels installed. To be conservative, let's drop it to 700 because of the weight distributing hitch. That seems to be more than adequate for stuff for two people.

If we carry firewood and a Honda EU2000i as far forward as possible in the truck bed and the moveable stuff like an indoor / outdoor carpet, bbq, tarps etc over the axles in the AS, are we likely to be OK from a weight perspective? I am a "by the book" kind of guy. I know that there is is no substitute for actual weights. It wouldn't be very nice to find out that I am outside the loading envelope after buying a trailer so I would like to be able to make a reasonably accurate prediction. I prefer to work my numbers on my own and conservatively rather than relying on salespeople.

To what percentage of max allowable weight do people typically load their AS? Is there anything major that I have overlooked? I like new stuff which is not logical and is a weakness that I cannot overcome.

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Old 07-04-2016, 09:47 AM   #2
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I have a 2016 F-150 4 x 4 supercab 3.5 , 3.55 axles, 7050 GVWR package towing my 2016 Intl Serenty 23fb with no problems at all. Just completed a 3000 mile trip to Colorado in the high mountain passes.

There are two of us, generator, and the usual gear. Works perfect for us.


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Old 07-04-2016, 10:09 AM   #3
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I think you'll be fine. Go camping.
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:14 AM   #4
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Old 07-04-2016, 06:53 PM   #5

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"To what percentage of max allowable weight do people typically load their AS? Is there anything major that I have overlooked? I like new stuff which is not logical and is a weakness that I cannot overcome."

100% PlusPlus

First, consider that our Classic has a CCC of....wait for it, a whopping 676lb.

Second, AS thought it would be good to equip a 7300GVW trailer with two 3500lb axles....

POI....I remove tires & jack stand the trailer for storage. Helps the the tires and prevents the torsion axles from developing a premature set when the rubber 'springs' harden from extended non-use.

The AS axles are carrying 640lb more than they are spec for.

Balanced loading, proper WD, up-graded class 5 receiver, careful tire monitoring, and 60-65mph towing....SFSG.

Sweet Streams....go camping.

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"Sticks & stones can break your bones...and hail will dent your Airstream"

So when is this..."old enough to know better" supposed to kick in?
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:47 PM   #6
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I don't think there's enough storage to overload our Airstream even if we wanted to. And up to 840 lbs of our Airstream and w.d. hitch is carried by our tow vehicle spread across its axles with our w.d. hitch.

We do travel light, a fifty year habit, on our six months away from home seasonal trip.
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:27 PM   #7
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I do not believe you will have a problem with payload and if you do, a couple of adjustments should resolve the issue. Loaded for camping we weigh in less than than gross on the trailer and the tongue is right at 600. We don't travel with much water, but you'll have the payload to do that.

Issues - bed mattress...the OEM is a bit lacking in support. An upgrade will likely add 100#s forward. Battery and tire upgrade are other examples of added gear weight. We are two plus two dogs and have headroom on trailer gross when loaded for camping. We are moving gear from the TV to the trailer and that helps off load TV payload while taking advantage of trailer capacity. The problem is where to store in the trailer. The shower is a poor solution and the under bed area shifts weight too far forward. Under the dinette, in the pantry, under the sink, in the closets and a bit in the kitchen lockers. Don't forget the oven, but take care in the packaging to not cause damage.

Note the full size queen needs the bed extended 4-6in. A strip of 1/4in ply with a fiddle to hold the mattress in place helps. Storing light weight bulky items under the bed and in the overhead bin takes reasonable advantage of the space without over loading the tongue.

Don't forget the storage in the outside compartment. Moving heavy tools, the grill, and the electrical cables to a tool box in the truck bed with the generator is a consideration. Don't forget the hitch vault which weighs a bit. If you lean toward lumber for stabilizer blocks in place of the lighter legos you will add some weight there. The one item you might need and weighs a bit is snow chains. Plans to not travel in hazardous conditions does not get you out of carrying them in the winter if you travel in states like Oregon. We tuck them under the dinette.

Again, you should do well with the 23. It's a great solution for two. We really like it. The ducted air in the 2017 should make it a better trailer.

Travel safe. Pat
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Old 07-05-2016, 08:18 AM   #8
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Thank you all for the feedback. I think that I am going to be OK with my plan. Can't wait.
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Old 07-05-2016, 09:07 AM   #9
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I wonder if the ccc of the older trailers was generally more? My 30 foot 1984 Avion has a ccc of almost 2500 pounds.

1984 Avion 30p 9.1 meter. 2006 Dodge 3500 cummins srw short bed crew cab.
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