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Old 08-30-2007, 09:56 PM   #15
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Actually - unless you have hunted bear at close range and have shot a predator that can kill you as easily as you can kill him than you should re-think your choice of loads. I would tend to lean towards 00buck - wider pattern - lots more pellets to hit vitals and easier to aim while you are shaking so much. This goes for the two legged type of predators too.
Trust me, I agree completely with Rodney on this one.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:13 PM   #16
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Bears at Lake Tahoe

Should you care to take the time to read my review on Sugar Pine Point you will see a bear in one photo at the campsite. We were there for 12 days and this critter would check out the area at all times day or nite. This one was not aggressive altho the ranger indicated that there was a real problem in the day use area across the street. So much so that the bear might by now have reached "room temperature". When I checked in I had to sign a thing that said I was aware of bear activity. These guys just can not control themselves- so put your stuff in the bear lockers! The bears really go after the dumpsters tho!! And if you make lotsa noise they seem to go away. I think it's a felony to discharge a weapon in a Ca. state park, another rule I will completely disregard if needed. DG
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:41 PM   #17
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Should you care to take the time to read my review on Sugar Pine Point you will see a bear in one photo at the campsite. ... DG
Great photos DG. Google found the post in one try.

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Old 08-30-2007, 10:48 PM   #18
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That looks like a young brown bear.

They are not a problem.
Look out for Mom!!!
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:51 PM   #19
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geez Richard;
you're pos ta say "that looks like a 86 thirty two foot excella!
I think the black bear is the one in the Tahoe Basin.
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Old 08-31-2007, 12:09 AM   #20
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I'm surprised no one has yet suggested pepper spray to defend against bears making entry while you are inside. They sell bear strength pepper spray in many sporting good stores now, and I think it is legal to have this in your possession in the US (but not in Canada).
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Old 08-31-2007, 01:07 AM   #21
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Yes, it is legal in the US in most locations.
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:03 AM   #22
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We are newbies awaiting delivery of our 2008 23' Ocean Breeze International, and we'd like to know if anyone has had problems with bears trying to break in when they smell food. If so, what's the solution?

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Old 08-31-2007, 09:14 AM   #23
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I'm surprised no one has yet suggested pepper spray to defend against bears making entry while you are inside. They sell bear strength pepper spray in many sporting good stores now, and I think it is legal to have this in your possession in the US (but not in Canada).
I will carefully wade back into this discussion and leave personal beliefs out, so I will stick with facts that I have been taught. Most Bass Pro shops sell and will give you some training on the use of bear REPELLANT (that's what it is) and the one I purchased mine from allows you to discharge water filled devices for practice. This can be a good thing as you only have 3 seconds of spray in the can and need to learn the proper method of discharging the spray.

(1) One point I remember is that the spray should never be discharged inside a vehicle (I take that to include a trailer) or structure (that would be a tent, too). You will never be able to remove the smell or the chemical agent from the space. You also stand a good chance of getting some on/in you and that would not be a good thing with a bear around (now angry).

(2) You should (flame here because if the situation occurs you are not going to check) try to avoid the possibility of getting this stuff on you. Having been maced (you have to if you carry) - the bear repellant is 10 times worse and has stuff in it that normal mace does not have because of its intended target. BTW - in a pinch this would work well against a two legged animal just as well, you may just have to explain why you used such an inhumane method in court. Nasal constrictors, blinding agents, it causes uncontrolable foaming of the mouth and swelling of the eyes - none of which you will enjoy.

As I was instructed in its use, this is a method of last resort. It is intended to place a barrier between you and the approaching bear (not one in your canp or at you trailer door but one coming for you). The instructor that I had, advised us to leave the area if at all possible, this is not an offensive weapon to chase a bear away from your camper while you place yourself withing range of the bear to apply the spray.

The numbers that I have seen show the spray to be about 80% effective on charging bears but that number drops to 45% effective with charging female bears with cubs. Nothing like a mothers protective zone.
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:48 AM   #24
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I'm surprised no one has yet suggested pepper spray to defend against bears making entry while you are inside. They sell bear strength pepper spray in many sporting good stores now, and I think it is legal to have this in your possession in the US (but not in Canada).
The fact is, pepper spray is not needed in dealing with black bears. Loud continious noise will discourage a bear trying to gain entry. Belive me, it really will. I wonder if I ought to write up an article for the forums about black bears this winter. If there is sufficent interest and I can fit it in I will consider doing so, but I dont want to go to the effort if there is no interest.
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When fishing in bear country (Northern Canada) the recomended method of getting bears to move on was banging the oars aganst the sides of the boat. Load noises will work in most cases. When hiking some people will attach bells to their shoes just to make alot of noise as they go along. One of the worst situations you can get into is when you surprise a mother bear who is with cubs. This will cause the bear to defend her cubs. If they hear you before they see you, they will move away.
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In thinking about this it is tremendously important to distinguish between black bear and grizzly bears. Behaviorally, they are quite different and your approach to dealing with a bear should be predicated on the knowledge of which species you are in contact with. For the most part this thread has dealt with black bear since that is the species the average traveler is most likely to encounter. Having said that: if you are traveling in grizzly country, a whole different set of rules of interaction apply. Be a smart traveler and educate yourself before going into bear country.
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Old 08-31-2007, 12:00 PM   #28
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Perhaps most revealing is that, so far, nobody has a story of a bear peeling off the door or ripping a hole in an Airstream. More than anything else, this seems to say it's very unlikely. I'll wait to hear someone with a solid harrowing story of bear attacking AS before I want to take this whole issue very seriously.
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