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Old 05-01-2017, 04:20 AM   #29
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Dear AirMiles: Thanks for that TV analysis. I too currently have a Frontier and need to step up in anticipation of towing an AS. Settled on the Platinum Titan 4x4 (cool 360 degree backup camera!!) but NOT the diesel. Why? First off its too new, 2nd year of production and although the diesel is a Cummings, jury is out on the transmission. Also, my mechanic says when those diesel engines need work, its EXPENSIVE and I just may be in the middle of nowhere unable to find a skilled diesel mechanic. Therefore I went with gas. Your thoughts?
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:24 AM   #30
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My wife and I have put a deposit on a "new-to-us" 2014 FC 25FB to be named "Air Miles". We are very excited about our purchase and can't wait to get it home from the Airstream dealer. We need to patiently wait until the previous owners get their on-order larger Airstream.

We are not new to travel trailers as we are trading in "Miles", our 2013 Casita 17SD, on "Air Miles". We have put 15,000 miles on "Miles" in less than two years and have a 6,000 mile adventure planned for "Air Miles" this summer.

We can't wait to start racking up Air Miles!
Just wondering, before I put my deposit down on a 27'FB Serenity, why did you go with the 25'? Having second thoughts on the 27' vs the 25'. Also, you said you found a couple of used AS in Florida but you ended up with the new unit instead? Was this simply because of the ducted air difference? How much more did you spend? With me its got to be new not only because of the ducted air but the factory built solar system too. Thanks
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:57 AM   #31
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Welcome AirMiles. We have the same trailer. Having driven a Nissan for a long time and loving it, I recently traded for a 2015 GMC Sierra 6.6 diesel. This is serious overkill, but the price was fairly good. I was very close to buying the Nissan HD diesel, so I am very interested to see how you like yours. Keep us up to date on your trip.
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:18 AM   #32
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Here's an update for those commenting on my truck. Yes, this Nissan Titan XD with Cummins 5.0 is a tow beast! It pulls the Airstream very easily even though I am nearly at its 1500# payload limit.

Let me give you some of my towing background. I've been towing heavy boats, campers and construction equipment for over 40 years. I've towed hundreds of thousands of miles with almost every Ford vehicle that had a hitch including E350, F250 Diesel, F150 (5.8, 5.0, Ecoboost), E150, Crown Vic and Taurus. I've recently owned and towed with most capable Nissans including Titan XD Diesel, Frontier and Pathfinder (CVT). I towed extremely heavy construction equipment daily for six years.

With that towing background, let me give you my thoughts on my Titan and the other vehicles with which I've towed. Towing with the Titan Diesel is shockingly similar to my recall of towing construction equipment with my F250 Diesel. Effortless acceleration with a relaxed feeling. Not pushing the engine or transmission at all. These diesels are made to work and shine while towing heavy trailers. I believe the Nissan's 5.0 fuel mileage is similar to the F250's but better than the Ecoboost. Now the Ecoboost with the twin turbos was also a torque monster, but it used more fuel than the diesels both while towing and not towing. The Ecoboost had wheel squealing acceleration and was more fun to drive while not towing. But because you had that power, it was hard to keep your foot off the gas.

I loved my Nissan Frontier while towing my 17' Casita. It was excellent with the 3000# trailer but I would not want to tow more, even though its rated to tow significantly more. I'm talking about towing across the country, not a hundred miles here and there. You could tow anything a short distance. I got 16.5 MPG while towing my Casita with the Frontier but fuel economy could fall to 13.5 MPG with a stiff headwind. The Titan Diesel got the SAME fuel mileage pulling the Casita as the Frontier. The Titan Diesel fuel mileage is also greatly affected by headwinds. I have not towed the Airstream enough to tell you what MPG I get towing, but I believe it will be around 12 on a long trip. Non-towing the Titan Diesel can get over 20 MPG on the highway and gets 16 MPG on mixed urban traffic with stoplights and traffic backups.

Let me talk about the Pathfinder CVT. I towed my Casita with it and would not recommend it for long trips. It revved and got about 10.5 MPG on the highway and the rear suspension sagged and was squirrelly while being passed by other vehicles. Not comfortable at all.

Bottom line, I love the 5.0 Cummins diesel for pulling the Airstream. It is perfectly sized for the application. One thing to watch for on the Titan XD is payload. I have the Platinum Reserve 4x4 model with the lowest payload available. The DOT sticker says 8950 GVWR and it weighs 7450 with full fluids, no passengers and no cargo. Therefore, I have 1500# of available payload. So watch the payload number if you are shopping for a new truck. Here is a copy of my CAT scale ticket weigh taken on my way to the campground this weekend. I'm within 100# of payload, but below GVWR, GAWR and GCWR. I just loaded everything into the truck and trailer that I had in my Casita. No attempt was made to adjust the load since I was not exceeding any weight rating. My previous posts in another thread included the CAT scale tickets for truck only and truck/airstream without WDH engaged if you want to see them.
Thanks a lot for sharring your information! Payload...very interesting that you are close to 1500lb limit... We carry kayaks from time to time and I thought about looking for 1500+ payload as a minimum...maybe need to think 1800lb now! Appreciate your update data as you move ahead towing your AS...we also go from TX to MT and back couple times a year, both with and without the AS....at 110K miles on my 2012 EB, I just had all services done, fluids, belt, and shocks installed, but still in back of my mind wondering if I can go another 7K miles this summer until the 18's are about to come out and the 17's have better rebates. Will be anxious to see your updates.
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Just finished towing my 31' Sovereign from Miami to Albuquerque with my Nissan Titan XD diesel. Averaged 13.6 mpg for the whole trip with a great deal of the trip spent on the Interstate doing 65.

Just did a side trip down to Elephant Butte (about 300 miles round trip) at a leisurely 60 and got 15.2. Not enough distance to quantify the savings but,it looks good.

Have burned 5 gallons of DEF so far.

With an average difference in price between regular gas and diesel of about 28 cents, the fuel cost per mile is about the same as my trusty old 2004 Nissan Titan gasser.

Loved that old truck, love the new truck. We'll see how it holds up.
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:51 PM   #34
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Just finished towing my 31' Sovereign from Miami to Albuquerque with my Nissan Titan XD diesel. Averaged 13.6 mpg for the whole trip with a great deal of the trip spent on the Interstate doing 65.

Just did a side trip down to Elephant Butte (about 300 miles round trip) at a leisurely 60 and got 15.2. Not enough distance to quantify the savings but,it looks good.

Have burned 5 gallons of DEF so far.

With an average difference in price between regular gas and diesel of about 28 cents, the fuel cost per mile is about the same as my trusty old 2004 Nissan Titan gasser.

Loved that old truck, love the new truck. We'll see how it holds up.
That sounds pretty good! Is your the second generation? I had heard the fuel capacity and def capacities were not very large in first generation; has that changed?
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Old 05-02-2017, 01:08 PM   #35
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Bottom line, I love the 5.0 Cummins diesel for pulling the Airstream.
It's a nice engine, but last time I looked Nissan took it off their website. Probably because of the EPA. They're going after the Ram EcoDiesel and all car/SUV diesels, too.
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Mine is a 2016. Fuel capacity is 26 so a comfortable 280 mile range or a little over four hours which is when I am ready to stretch anyway.

Def is 4.6 gallons which is plenty.

Go to "build your Nissan" and you can get the diesel pretty much anywhere
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:37 PM   #37
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Just wondering, before I put my deposit down on a 27'FB Serenity, why did you go with the 25'? Having second thoughts on the 27' vs the 25'. Also, you said you found a couple of used AS in Florida but you ended up with the new unit instead? Was this simply because of the ducted air difference? How much more did you spend? With me its got to be new not only because of the ducted air but the factory built solar system too. Thanks - Astro

Why did I go with a 25'? Because I am mid-6-foot tall and can put a full sized queen bed in a 25'. The East-West bedroom is actually longer than the North-South bedroom. Was buying new for ducted air? YES and the new one had the three awnings already installed which would have been about $3000 to add to the 2014. How much more for the 2017 vs 2014? $12,000, but I also sold my old Casita myself versus trading it on the 2014. Selling it outright saved at least $5000 in my estimation. I also like that the 25' will fit in some campsites that limit the size to 25'. I too thought of buying the 27' to get the microwave and stove, the larger pantry and the North-South bed, but the longer bedroom setup in the 25' was the real deciding factor. Not having your feet hang over the end of the bed is a big deal for me!
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Reply to comments on the Titan XD:

I like the sound of the gas mileage of 13.5 at 65 mph and 15 at 60 while towing!

Yes I will keep posting my results of pulling my 25' Airstream with the Titan XD Diesel. I'm leaving for a 320 mile adventure with the Airstream tomorrow. Some of it will be interstate highway and much of it will be backroads in the Ocala National Forest. I'll have a better feel for my gas mileage after this short trip. My 5,000 mile adventure towing the Airstream from Florida to the North Shore of Lake Superior starts May 31. I will definitely know my fuel mileage after that trip.

I know a diesel will cost more to operate than a gasser, but there's just something about being able to effortlessly tow a 7,000 pound trailer that makes it worth the extra cost. I like idling around at 1700 rpm while towing rather than pushing an engine to run at 3000+ rpm. The diesel loves to work, it is actually better to be towing 7,000 pounds than idling back and forth to the grocery store.

Thanks for the comments folks! Its nice to get feedback that my comments are helping others.
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Mid-way through my longer term shakedown of my new Airstream and Titan XD Diesel. I only had a couple of small issues with the Airstream. First, the water pipes began banging on the shower wall while pump was running. Easily fixed through water pump access door. Second the latch on the bathroom mirror came off due to stripped screws. A little glue and toothpicks should fix that. Truck is awesome, 13-14 mpg while towing in most conditions and speeds. Perfect size truck for an Airstream. Blue Ox Swaypro hitch is also amazing. Well​ behaved in all situations. Soft riding yet no sway. I'm loving my new rig all around.
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Update on 30 AMP issue. The breaker at my first campsite must have been bad. I have not overloaded the pole breaker at any of my sites this week. So I believe my first weekend issue a site electrical issue, not an Airstream issue.
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Thanks for the update AirMiles. I've had that problem with the water pipes banging. Also amazing how screws come out. Toothpicks and golf tees are always handy.
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I started a new thread in the "On The Road" section to continue sharing experiences with our new FC25FB. Please add any new comments and questions to that thread.
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