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Old 04-24-2013, 10:14 AM   #29
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:23 AM   #30
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One point about national parks, is that you are allowed overhang off the back of the parking slab. Which makes my 27 EB, 20' 2" long, hitch to back of rear wheel.
Disclaimer, some parking pads have a large/high backstop/trees that can't be overhung.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:54 AM   #31
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No longer an AS owner, but have some experience with this...

Our first AS as a family of 4 was a 2010 25' FC w/twin beds (two small kids - 6 and 3 years old at the time) was doable but tight. Then I ordered a 2011 30' Classic w/twins -better, much better from a sleeping arrangement perspective - everyone having their own space - kids are separated.

I still think that a 28' offered with a twin beds floorplan along with its separate dinnete and L-sofa would be an ideal set up.

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Old 05-30-2013, 06:51 PM   #32
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The kids won't care

Young kids won't care how big your Airstream is. In later years, they'll remember it as huge, luxurious, cramped and miserable. And they'll thank you for ever.

Mom won't think the storage in any Airstream is quite adequate, but over time, she'll learn to make do, in the same way that her pioneer forbears, real or imagined, made do with the space in their Conastoga, dog cart, or whatever. They left stuff by the side of the trail and you'll do the same.

But lets think of Dad. Poor Dad. After hours and hours and hours of driving-during which time he must referee conflicts, instruct, calm, illuminate and inspire-he's going to end up at some camp site or RV park near, at, or after dark. And he's going to have to back into a too-narrow space between other "campers" who've been drinking and bbq'ing for hours. Those good folks can't help but judge the quality of Dad's skills. Dad knows this. Dad pretends he doesn't care. But he does. In this case, the smaller the better.

We traveled along the Umpqua River in Oregon recently. It was near, at, and then after dark as we sought an open spot in the few State or Forest Service campsites along the river. At the entrance to each the sign read: no trailers over 25'. Just making it under the mark in our 25'FB Eddie Bauer I finally found a spot and made a 22 point entry into the one slot I could find. And I'm telling you, I was nervous on the way in about making it through the narrow ranks of redwoods and pines that lined the narrow road and seemed to threaten my aluminum friend. After the parking debacle I really needed that cocktail the good woman shook up for me as I rolled down the stabilizers.

So what is the lesson here? Make sure that whatever trailer you get is always stocked with Dad's libation of choice and the appropriate mixers. Just about any size Airstream can manage that.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:57 PM   #34
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We have an International Serenity 25FB and the cross bed appeared in the literature to have adequate walk around space. I purchased it sight unseen from out side the US. The five inch wide "floor" beside the bed behind the front trailer wall is difficult to stand in and make the bed since you can not stand up because of the ceiling roof locker directly overhead. The sleeper on that side of the bed has to do a bug crawl to get off the bed and answer nature, then climb back aboard and shuffle all the covers and hopefully not awaken the other person sleeping there.

THe 25FB and 27FB models from the television back have identical floor plans. From the bed room wall forward forward the space is different to accomadate the orientation of the bed.

We just decided to switch to a twin bed model for the extra interior storage space, outside accessible storage space, additional wardrobe space and "person" room between the beds. Unfortunately, none of the International trim models offer twin beds. Only the Flying Cloud models in lengths of 25' or longer and all three models of the Classic line support twin beds as a no charge option.

Unfortunately, when I stopped at the local Airstream dealer there was a lovely looong 34' Classic on the lot. We decided to peak inside. We fell in love with the Hickory wood interior. We really inspected all the 31' models and they were too long for us and we could not work out our desired feature set without major remodeling after getting a new unit. So, by the process of elimination, we finally decided on the Classic 27FB with twin beds.

Now action is required to implement the decision. It is numbers crunching time to see if the boat will float and who the lucky dealer will be to get us as a (new) customer.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:17 PM   #35
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A rebuttal on the 27 over 25 debate.

We've used our 25 for 12 months total travel. The bed orientation is an easy adjustment after use, not so much different than squeezing around the corners of the 27.

If we needed two more feet length, it would be the 28 (actually an inch shorter than the 27) where the lounge is separate from the dinette. That is our greatest comfort issue and the 27 won't solve it.

We really like the 25 size as a universal traveler, so will stay the course.

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Old 05-31-2013, 08:12 AM   #36
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A rebuttal on the 27 over 25 debate.

We've used our 25 for 12 months total travel. The bed orientation is an easy adjustment after use, not so much different than squeezing around the corners of the 27.

If we needed two more feet length, it would be the 28 (actually an inch shorter than the 27) where the lounge is separate from the dinette. That is our greatest comfort issue and the 27 won't solve it.

We really like the 25 size as a universal traveler, so will stay the course.

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Doug,

While I realize you love your 25, have you ever slept in both the 25FB and the 27FB? I have. Prior to purchasing our Airstream, we stayed in a 25FB for several nights at the KOA in Bar Harbor, ME. We too were undecided between the 25FB and 27FB. After the stay at the KOA, we realized how difficult it was for us to negotiate the "east/west" bed of the 25. I am not tall (5'4") and I found getting in and out of bed on the side with the roof lockers to be terribly annoying plus downright dangerous if I forgot to "duck" when getting up in the middle of the night with the lights off. Our dislike of the bed orientation in the 25 pretty much sealed our decision to buy the 27FB. The 11" radius corners on the foot of the bed of the 27FB make it very easy to walk around the bed so there is absolutely no need to squeeze around the corners.

For us the decision became clear after sleeping in the 25FB. We didn't want the aggravation of negotiating the tight clearances around the queen bed. We would have only considered the 25FB model with twins (which is a very spacious layout) but we preferred the queen bed. The 27FB bed layout fits us to a "T".

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...Make sure that whatever trailer you get is always stocked with Dad's libation of choice and the appropriate mixers. Just about any size Airstream can manage that.
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A rebuttal on the 27 over 25 debate.

We've used our 25 for 12 months total travel. The bed orientation is an easy adjustment after use, not so much different than squeezing around the corners of the 27.

If we needed two more feet length, it would be the 28 (actually an inch shorter than the 27) where the lounge is separate from the dinette. That is our greatest comfort issue and the 27 won't solve it.

We really like the 25 size as a universal traveler, so will stay the course.

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The precise reason that we went for the 28' (and inch shorter than the 27')
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The precise reason that we went for the 28' (and inch shorter than the 27')
We have two kids, too, although small they aint!
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:42 AM   #40
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Doug,

While I realize you love your 25, have you ever slept in both the 25FB and the 27FB? I have. Prior to purchasing our Airstream, we stayed in a 25FB for several nights at the KOA in Bar Harbor, ME. We too were undecided between the 25FB and 27FB. After the stay at the KOA, we realized how difficult it was for us to negotiate the "east/west" bed of the 25. I am not tall (5'4") and I found getting in and out of bed on the side with the roof lockers to be terribly annoying plus downright dangerous if I forgot to "duck" when getting up in the middle of the night with the lights off. Our dislike of the bed orientation in the 25 pretty much sealed our decision to buy the 27FB. The 11" radius corners on the foot of the bed of the 27FB make it very easy to walk around the bed so there is absolutely no need to squeeze around the corners.

For us the decision became clear after sleeping in the 25FB. We didn't want the aggravation of negotiating the tight clearances around the queen bed. We would have only considered the 25FB model with twins (which is a very spacious layout) but we preferred the queen bed. The 27FB bed layout fits us to a "T".

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I should also say our 25 is the rear bed model which has many interior differences from the FB 25/27. So it was not the bed configuration alone in our case.

But after extended use of our 25 I think the difficulties of this bed configuration are completely overstated, and not completely resolved with a fore/aft bed.

Referring to the original post, if considering two more feet of Airstream look at the 28 for the separate lounge and dinette setup. The fore/aft bed is there as well.

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I should also say our 25 is the rear bed model which has many interior differences from the FB 25/27. So it was not the bed configuration alone in our case.

But after extended use of our 25 I think the difficulties of this bed configuration are completely overstated, and not completely resolved with a fore/aft bed.

Referring to the original post, if considering two more feet of Airstream look at the 28 for the separate lounge and dinette setup. The fore/aft bed is there as well.

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Doug,

I'm not sure what difficulties you are referring to in regard to the fore/aft bed. Since we have over 8,000 miles on the trailer, I can assure you that walking around the foot of the bed is absolutely no problem. I did crack my head on the roof locker getting out of bed in the 25FB. Since that would have been my side of the bed, I wasn't interested in going down that learning curve. My personal experience with both the 25FB and 27FB led me to respond to the thread. We were fortunate to have the chance to "try out" an Airstream before buying.

In the beginning of our search, we seriously considered the 28. We liked the fore/aft bed and the storage closets on each side of the bed. We also liked the L-lounge concept until we spent 30 minutes sitting on one on a dealer's lot. For our desired comfort, we would have had to modify the front seating area and we weren't willing to incur that additional expense on a new trailer.

We are very happy with our 27FB. Is it perfect? No. Do we like it enough to want to keep it and travel extensively with it? Yes. You feel the same way about your 25. One is not right and the other wrong. Personal preferences certainly come into the decision process.

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25 vs. 27/28 with Small Kids

I have two young daughters (7 and 11) and I also considered 25 vs. 28 ft in selecting my trailer. Some quick thoughts to add to the thread, based on what I thought was the right decision in going 28:

- While two kids can sleep on a goucho, it sure isn't conducive to bed-time. The little jokesters will tickle and chat and laugh endlessly if in too close proximity. So we really like the second dinette bed, keeps them separate and lets the 7 year old drift off more quickly. Also, it allows for separate bed times.

- Our eleven year old increasingly wants her privacy at bath/change time, and being able to close off the "hallway" with separate bath and shower by closing the pullette is invaluable both to parental and 'tween privacy. Can you do this in the 25'?

- The increased storage of the 28 is HUGELY helpful when packing for a family of four. For one, the 28 has the exterior rear compartment, a big luxury in storage and camp set up (although the newer 25's might have this)

- As mentioned above, the increased interior space on rainy/cold/yucky days is nice

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