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Old 08-13-2016, 08:34 AM   #1
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The Shiny Reveal - 1968 Overlander

We're close enough to completion to introduce our second project. In the time honored tradition of ocean going ships, we named a sponsor for our restoration on our 1968 Overlander 26T. Our sponsor is Lady R and we think the trailer will be named "Nectar".

We're fortunate to get to care for Lady R a couple of days per week, although, I sometimes wonder if, in reality, she's actually caring for us. Lady R has agreed to provide a tour of "Nectar" over the next few days. She has been an outstanding sponsor. She's always checking the smallest detail and has been very involved with the project since we began in earnest in March.

As background, "Nectar" is the second Airstream project for us. We restored "Marlo" a 1964 Safari about 10 years ago and have enjoyed traveling with her ever since. "Marlo" was done prior to our discovering Air Forums. "Nectar", on the other hand, represents many ideas, recommendations and inspirations from the many contributors to this forum. We are grateful for that help and inspiration. I will try to mention specifics as I progress with this thread, but apologize in advance, if I missed something you have done or mentioned here.

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Old 08-13-2016, 09:11 AM   #2
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Welcome Roy

Looking forward to your progress on Nectar .
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:49 AM   #3
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Glen & Rita,

Thanks for your quick reply. I'm hoping this is not too boring.

Today's post:

Lady R recommended starting in the galley. In the first photo she's highlighting the trash can door detail. We always seem to have a plastic bag or two hanging from door knobs, so we thought, wouldn't it be cool if you could throw something in the trash without a hanging bag or opening a door. A short door for access to the foot pedal, and a 4" hole for access to the pail, and, no more bags. Lady R is also a big fan of new appliances and she wanted to point out the furnace duct just over her shoulder from the new Suburban 30 kBTU forced air furnace.

A little over a year ago, Caffeinated posted a question asking about knife storage. Many of you posted your solutions and we decided on a built-in knife slot next to the sink. Ready access and no searching in drawers.

Lady R also wanted to point out the new countertop. This was custom made by Adam Billstone of Warren, PA. We met Adam at our local pancake syrup festival. He make custom furniture with hand selected hardwoods in a rustic type style. We'll point out some more of his talent in subsequent days. Adam used the cutouts from the stove and sink to make custom cutting boards for us. He seasons those with olive oil, so they are completely functional as cutting boards. He even wood burned a thank you to us on the bottom of the small one.

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Old 08-14-2016, 09:20 AM   #4
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Sunday"s Post:

Lady R suggests moving to the twin bed center area next. She likes the cloth covered storage boxes under the dinette seats, but wants to also point out the dinette features.

We used a hydraulic piston table base after reading many comments and suggestions on the forums about wobbling tables. We ordered it from a marine parts supplier, so, as with most boat related items, it was more expensive than we wanted. It works great and no wobble, though.

The tabletop is another custom creation by Adam Billstone. We just gave him the dimensions and that we needed one of the two sides to be finished so either side could be used. He added small walnut inlays for the single table side and large walnut inlays for the double table side.

Note that the dinette can seat 2 to 4 comfortably, but folds open to add two more for dinner or games on a rainy evening.

You may see the temporary Air Conditioner in the background. It has now been removed and a rooftop unit installed. More about that in Monday's post.

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Old 08-14-2016, 11:22 AM   #5
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Wow! That is a really ingenious way of putting a diner configuration into a twin berth.
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Old 08-14-2016, 01:25 PM   #6
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Flooring

I love the flooring you chose! I've been looking for something similar to no avail. Would you please share your source???

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Old 08-15-2016, 12:56 PM   #7
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Can you send more pictures of your front couch area, especially how it sits on (or around) the fresh water tank.

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Old 08-15-2016, 02:20 PM   #8
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Tampatomgirl,

The flooring is Pergo Max. We got it locally at Lowes for the kitchen and guest room in the house and had a couple of cartons left over. The style (or color) is called Montgomery Apple and has a nice rustic look with lots of grain and some knots.

Redleger,

I'll post some photos of the entertainment area in a couple of days, but if you'd like specific photos of the framework, etc. send me a PM with your email address and I'll send you whatever helps.

Tony Hunt,

Thanks for the thumbs up on the dinette. We thought quite awhile on how to get the best use out of the twin bed area. You'll probably see we cut a window opening in the wall between the kitchen and the twin area to help open the trailer up for dinner and entertaining. We included a window with an etching that can be closed along with the accordion door for privacy. I also wanted to thank you for your suggestions on cutting the roof opening for the air conditioner. Which brings me to Monday's Post:

We researched air conditioners by reading everything we could here on the forums and decided on the Coleman Mach 3 Power Saver (13500 BTU). We had a lot of great input from TheGreatleys on their Coleman Mach 8 Cub, and rodsterinfl about noise levels. We especially appreciated hippiechick finding and sharing the Dometic drain kit that works with the Coleman Mach 3's, because that made the Power Saver an option for us. In the photos you'll see we also followed hippiechick's recommendation to cut the gasket with a 5/8" forester bit. I used a cordless drill very slowly rather than drill it by hand. We thus avoided the use of a roof pan as suggested by lewster.

We also paid close attention to suggestions from Isuzusweet, rsjmcg, 65will, Robwork, Tentmaker and tony (above) when it came to where and how to open the roof. Since this trailer never had an A/C unit, this was a "let's do it once, the right way" moment. We placed it just forward of the axles and aft of the twins area bulkhead. It worked well in that it clears all existing vents and sits in the spot between two full length ribs, which should be the best structurally supported roof space on the trailer. I ended up using a metal blade on a 5" cordless circular saw. That gave me great depth control, so the one wire I did contact, only scuffed the tape wrapped around the wire. (Note that all power was disconnected, including the battery, just in case.) Lady R sees this as an Air Forum "team success."

Tuesday, I'll post about the A/C lift and install...

Roy
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Old 08-16-2016, 10:42 AM   #9
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Tuesday's Post:

At Lady R's request, I'll continue the A/C discussion. One photo stuck in my mind as we considered the installation of the A/C unit. WayneG had posted his solution which showed two planks between a second story window and his Airstream, with his A/C unit on it. It occurs that simple tools like the inclined plane have been used by mankind for centuries. We've got great neighbors who often come running when I get into something bigger than I can handle. A neighbor offered to help lift the A/C unit, so when the day came I looked to see if his truck was in his drive. No luck. So I systematically kept making the job easier for the two of us for when he got home. His daughter and grandkids were splashing around in their pool, so I was certain he'd be along soon. I used an inclined plane and slid the A/C in to the bed of my truck. Still no truck in the neighbor's drive. I put the planks between the truck bed and roof of my garage, still no truck in the neighbor's drive. I went ahead and pulled the A/C unit up the planks to the roof, still no truck next door. I put the planks over to the padded roof of the Airstream, right, still no truck in sight. I slid the A/C down the planks and lifted it place. I tightened the mounting bracket inside and when I came out, my neighbor waved as he pulled into his drive.

The Coleman Mach 3 PS worked well. I ran it all day first on city power, then for several hours (emptied the gas tank, then refilled and emptied again in about 4 hours) with our Ryobi 2200w generator. There was plenty of margin on auto idle with just the A/C running and very little margin with the rest of the loads (mostly charging the battery) turned on. We've run it many days since and are very satisfied. It knocks the humidity down significantly and lowers temperature about 15 - 20 F when in direct sun. I have noticed that the drain cups are sensitive to level side to side. We can't be more than 1/3 of a bubble off plumb, or the overflow on the low side is reached.

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Old 08-17-2016, 09:54 AM   #10
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Wednesday's Post:

Our sponsor is checking out the pillows we made while taking sewing lessons as we got ready to sew the cushion covers. The thermometer shows one of our early test runs of the A/C unit. The external transmitter is stashed in the rear bumper and the trailer was in direct sun, so I think the outside temperature is somewhat representative of the skin temperature of the trailer.

I've included a photo of the window in the bulkhead between the twin area and kitchen. The window retracts into a protected enclosure under the sink.

The window was inspired by the door, which was inspired by Aluminuminum. He's a true craftsman and got us thinking about how to approximate his craftsmanship, when we saw it posted here on the Forums. We added matching Lily and Hummingbird etchings to tie it together.

Roy
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Old 08-18-2016, 10:22 AM   #11
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Thursday's Post:

During a routine visit, Lady R suggested a larger screen television. This addition was inspired by AirstreamPDX. They mounted an even larger Smart TV in the kitchen area. In our case, we mounted it in the twin bed area on a full motion mount that can swing around and position the TV for viewing from the front sitting area or in the twin area. A 28" just fits the curb side bulkhead, but sticks into the walkway when positioned toward the front. Still plenty of room to squeeze by.

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Old 08-19-2016, 06:53 AM   #12
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Friday's Post:

We're moving aft to the bathroom. Lady R is closely inspecting the floor vent. Just over her head is the bathroom closet. It's relatively large and houses the new 6 gal Atwood water heater at floor level. As we restored the trailer, I spent a full two days chasing leaks in the original copper plumbing. I gave up and in a few hours removed all the old plumbing and replaced it with PEX. I added a manifold for draining the water heater as an upgrade over the work we did on the '64. We haven't had a problem winterizing the '64, but this should cut the time down.

Inside the closet, we made room for a soft-sided laundry basket. Our bathtub in the '64 seems to become the catch-all for bottles of drinking water and our hamper. We hope to reduce that with the '68. The drinking water jugs have a specific storage area under the sink. Above the basket is the towel shelf and above that another small shelf. We added a small basket there, but haven't filled it yet.

Behind the new toilet, we removed the plastic coated "(original) hamper" cover and replaced it with some woodgrain with a hummingbird wood burning. We capped off the sprayer for the toilet, thinking that the shower sprayer is very close and we added a sprayer faucet at the sink that also reaches the toilet. The new toilet also appears to flush significantly better than the toilet in the '64.

The shower curtain rod was inspired by Aluminumium. He solved the problem of the bizarre plastic covered cardboard room divider thing that Airstream provided. His installation is much stronger than ours. He can hang his bicycles or probably anything else he chooses from his. We thought for awhile on how to take his design and avoid mounting it to the plastic end cap. So we tied into the pocket door bulkhead at 90 degrees, followed the tub contour, then followed the end cap contour down the the top of the '(original) hamper." We finished the open gap behind the toilet (above the hamper) with Lexan cut to shape and sealed along the end cap. We did not seal the bottom edge, to allow for the originally intended drainage path. Shampoo, etc. can sit on the shelf and be seen and easily reached from the shower enclosure. I also wimped out on the material for the rod. Since, this was my first attempt at bending tubing, I opted for conduit. Much less expensive and a bit more forgiving. If we get too much oxidation over time, I'll replace it with marine stainless steel tubing. Thanks again for the guidance and inspiration by Aluminuminum.

Roy
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Old 08-19-2016, 01:06 PM   #13
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hello, do you have any more a/c installation pictures and information? we will hopefully be installing one in our '69 Caravel (17') and are looking for advise on type and installation. It's a small trailer so i assume i can get by with a small one. The smallest available. And i want to keep my current fantastic fan if possible, so thinking of cutting a new hole for it like you did. Did you have to build up the area between the inside and outside skin to hold the weight? Thanks, Awolff
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Old 08-20-2016, 05:31 AM   #14
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awolff,

I'd be glad to send you any photos that can help. Just PM me with your e-mail and I'll send you whatever you want. Cutting a 14 X 14" hole in the roof feels like kind of a big deal, and I'm sure you want to do it right.

Yes, you'll absolutely need to reinforce the area between the inner and outer skin. The way the A/C unit "clamps" onto the roof is by squeezing the two together between the A/C unit and a provided lower bracket. I wanted to use square aluminum tubing, but bought the wrong size (1" vs 1.5") and couldn't locally source the correct size quickly. So I used oak.

With a Caravel, I'd think a Coleman Mach 8 Cub would probably do the job, based on my research. It's 9200 BTU and can be run with a 2000w generator, if that is important to you. It's also a low profile, only about 8" high. TheGreatleys have a couple of threads and a link with great detailed info on their install. There are other brands with similar capacity, but I don't have experience with them.

Good luck and let me know what photos or info you want,
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