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Old 12-29-2008, 05:53 PM   #15
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As for AC, roof mount makes the most sense, but there's something deeply disturbing about a white/beige box on top of the big aluminum tube. We saw an Overlander under renovations with a white box on top and my reaction was... Why? Any thoughts on a silver/aluminum AC unit that would blend with the '67 Overlander aesthetic?
Silver paint is cheap. re engineering your air conditioning system probably won't be.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:11 PM   #16
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I have been refurbishing the interior of my 66 Caravel over the last 6 months or so. I went with the Dometic 2 way refer. As to flooring, I recommend you at least consider the marmoleum "click" floating floor. After much research that's what I settled on. I used 12 inch square tiles in two colors for a subtle checkered pattern. It was pretty easy to install and came out just great. I think we are really going to like it. Just about finished with the inside stuff then hope to get some pictures posted. Good luck with your project. Sounds like you are doing it right.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:21 PM   #17
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Since the micro-shop is moving along, I thought it might be time for some odd questions that having been rolling around in my noggin:

1. Replacing water lines: PEX or copper?

2. What is the "best" three-way refrigerator?

3. What is the best propane furnace? AC unit?

4. Wall insulation: pink or rigid? Add the foil bubble wrap or not?

5. Add a gray water tank, yes or no?

6. What is the "right" size for tanks?

7. Wheels: Aluminum or painted?

8. Converter: What is the best replacement for the old univolt?

9. Floors: Cork or floating?

10. Espresso machine... necessary or not?
A thought to consider.

The more you customize the trailer away from Airstream components, the more difficult it will be for you to stop at a dealer for service, in the case of a failure.

If that's not a concern, then sky's the limit.
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Old 12-29-2008, 06:38 PM   #18
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forget all that stuff.get a bucket of kfc,a can of lysol and hit the road.
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:10 AM   #19
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Well, the Overlander is sitting about 800 miles away. Our next big road trip will be to pick the old girl up... hopefully with a fully restored frame and spanking new floor. I'm down with the KFC, but hopefully we're well beyond Lysol at this point.

As for Airstream versus custom... I'm all about putting the best components into the Overlander. We're not keeping the old three-burner cooktop, the Magic Chef oven, etc. I kept all of the interior cabinetry for templates. Anything that goes back in will be fully refurbished. We're doing all new wiring (110v AC and 12v DC). This includes a new convertor replacing the univolt. We're doing all new plumbing and tanks. This means a new water pump, valves, controls, etc.

The overall goal is to have a very comfortable travel trailer for an extended journey. Post "hiatus," the Overlander will be our weekend camping rig. I figure that if I do a fair amount of the restoration myself (except for the frame welding and subfloor install), I should acquire enough knowledge and scarring to do "on-the-road" repairs myself. I've done a vintage auto and two old houses over the years... the Airstream is just a culmination of mistakes made and lessons learned from other places.

I will check out the Marmoleum Click. I was leaning towards cork or something with a wood grain, but the idea of color is interesting. I'll have to run this by COMNAVSPOUSLANT. I'm looking forward to seeing picture.

As for the AC, silver paint on white plastic is going to to like... well, silver paint on white plastic. Actually, it might be kind of fun to fabricate a riveted aluminum cover for a standard AC unit. With a bit of polishing, it might look kind of cool. Oddly enough, I'm thinking of a white roof (coating system) but I think this would be less visible than the AC unit plopped on top of the roof. Obviously, the cover would need to be aerodynamic... as to avoid vibration damage not only to the unit, but to the shell/frame.

Some upgrades are essentially "no brainers," e.g., fantastic fans. I have yet to hear a bad word about these guys. Other upgrades (like the AC/DC LED TV are probably more a roll of the dice).

Interior and exterior, I like the idea of color. Aluminum wheels are nice, but I'm not opposed to the old school steel wheels with some cool "moon" hubcaps. Hey... maybe I can get some Baltimore Raven logos for those bad boys for our cruise through Pittsburgh?
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:37 AM   #20
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Hampstead, while beer is not just for breakfast anymore, I'd recommend tea. No heavy and clunky machines, easy to heat up water on the stove top and all you need is a tea pot and a tea ball. I make a lot and keep the some in a thermos for lunch jolt. I get mine from Market Spice near Seattle (they ship). It's spiced black tea and well loaded with caffeine for a personal jump start.

Other things: it's easy to clean vinyl or similar floors because of the dirt we all track in, but around the bed, carpeting is nice to get out of bed onto. Steel wheels save lots of money but aren't very attractive, but I'd consider them strongly if it were me. 2 way refrigerators are simpler and probably cost less. Better to invest in a good bed, or a cheap mattress with memory foam on top. Don't skimp on the essentials like electrical system, axles, water system, etc. A smaller black water tank and a larger grey water tank make more sense to me. I'm not sure why the insulation has to "breathe" as Andy stated since insulation should be airtight to do any insulating. There are alternatives to the pink stuff that have higher R value and they are generally foam. The breathing can come with the Fantastic fan(s).

Sounds like you're on the right track and doing what's necessary to plan this. Having restored or remodeled a couple of houses, I can't appreciate the work involved and didn't want to take on a vintage trailer.

Good luck with your restoration and your trip to Alaska.

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Steel wheels are better than aluminum. Aluminum wheels are prone to corrosion as they age. This makes them leak air in a way that is nearly impossible to fix. They also need polishing from time to time or they get shabby looking.

Steel wheels are cheaper, stronger, and will take hard blows without breaking. In the most severe stress steel will bend where aluminum will break.

Aluminum wheels have only 2 advantages. One is they are light. This means nothing on your trailer or tow vehicle.

And they add a fancy touch.

If it were me I would take the wheels to a good tire store and have them trued up, sandblasted and painted or powder coated. Around here this costs about $30 per wheel.
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These looked real good on our 63' Safari..

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Old 12-30-2008, 12:30 PM   #23
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These looked real good on our 63' Safari..

Spun Aluminum Discs
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Very nice! I think you just found what will be on our '64 Safari! (with Steel wheels)

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Old 12-30-2008, 12:42 PM   #24
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Very nice! I think you just found what will be on our '64 Safari! (with Steel wheels)

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Be VERY careful putting them on, just like the AS they dent very easily and if the clips are loose their gone, still got a spare in the basement.

Any local speed shop should have them in stock, they also come in stainless.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:43 PM   #25
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Be VERY careful putting them on, just like the AS they dent very easily and if the clips are loose their gone, still got a spare in the basement.

Any local speed shop should have them in stock, they also come in stainless.
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Might you have a picture of your '63 to share? I'd love to see how they look, and good idea on buying a spare.

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Can't believe I don't have more photo's of the old girl, probably on some of the rolls of 35mm I keep finding stashed away everywhere.

I really didn't buy spares, the first set would not stay on until I got the spring clips adjusted, found the odd one after we sold her in 2004.
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:45 AM   #27
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Well, it's lunch time which means Airstream daydreaming time. I posted on another thread some interest in the catalytic heat systems. I'm not opposed to a Suburban furnace but this means 1) having a fan to push the air; 2) running duct work. As for insulation, my main concern about pink fiberglass batting is the inevitable settling. I like the ideal of the foil/bubble "layer" but I'm still think out loud on the other insulative layers.

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards a modestly-sized frig, two propane burners and a microwave. We use the microwave far more than our oven at the house, and I'm pretty handy with a "dutch oven" and other outdoor cooking technologies.

The most recent trend from my lovely wife is to go amidships with the bathroom and to install a shower. I've looked at the vacuflush technology as noted by "Truckasaurus" but I need to seen one of these bad boys in real life. We haven't made a decision about the bed except to get as close to "queen" as practicable and put it in the rear.

There would seem to be some real opportunity for under bed storage. I imagine all of the electrical will go under the bed, converter, breaker box, etc. I wonder if a guy should run the light harness wiring in light PVC conduit to the rear? It would be nice to fish wires rather than drop the belly pan and look for shorts.

We haven't made any decision on AC except that it is necessary. I hate to spoil the roof line, but it may get pretty snug in the trailer with the AC unit inside. While it may be overly expensive, any exterior on the unit will be silver or bona fide aluminum.

No decision on wheels. The tires should be good for the next two or three years. We'll either go aluminum or painted steel. The windows are getting replaced with "real" windows. The new gaskets are going in. I imagine we'll be on leak patrol getting the skin and openings all water tight.

When the weather breaks, it will be time to install a pad for the Overlander. Having a good concrete pad will make the work a little easier and it will keep the driveway from getting overly congested. Ah, well, winter is the season for cogitating, I guess. Spring will be here soon enough and it will be time to turn wrenches.
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Ken,

Daydreaming here too. We had lots of snow around the holidays and then returned to high desert dryness and high temps from the upper 30's to 40's. That's Spring to me.

Since you want to go on the road for a year (we've had the same thoughts, but we think we'd go batty in a 25' trailer after about a month or two), I'd recommend things that can be used boondocking. A microwave is nice but an oven and a 3 burner stove are a lot more usable when there's no 120 v electricity. You can run the microwave on a generator, but what a pain to hook up in the rain or snow. We have a small microwave for when we have 120 v.—it just fits on the counter. I've looked into a really, really small one, but haven't seen anything I'm impressed with—the last one I found was purple. A purple microwave? One case where form over function is critical.

We find our refrigerator fills up fast—I can't remember whether it's 7 or 9 cubic feet. The smaller the refrigerator the more often you have to stop at stores. The bigger the refrigerator, the more variety of food you can bring—pretty important when traveling to remote places.

I appreciate your struggle with the AC cover. I'd do the roof in white to reflect sun. You can't see the roof from the ground, so that it matches the AC doesn't matter. I don't look at the AC, so the color doesn't bother me and the white is better for efficient performance. In the intense SW sun, the AC can barely keep up, so you need the biggest unit you can install and everything going for efficiency.

Everything is a compromise. Looks to me your priorities are right in making sure the basics are high quality. Of course, in the end everything seems to be a basic and the dollars keep stimulating the RV industry.

Snow predicted for tonight and the next few days. Last time they predicted snow for several days we got a whole 3/4". Snow is good—we need the water and it makes me less antsy for traveling.

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