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Old 09-22-2014, 09:35 PM   #57
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Chris, you SHOULD have pause in reading about quality issues. And you should independently consider all the factors and weight them for yourself...and if that means you feel uncomfortable with AS ownership....then that is an important decision for you! no shame in that whatsoever.

AS has a reputation among people who know next to nothing about them that they are the paragon of quality and style among RV's....if one take a decent amount of time researching airstream, one can easily find signs of disappointment...expectations not met and heartbreak.

I was comfortable making the purchase and would do it again despite my full disclosure to these realities in reading this forum line by line because I could see a path to monitor for said issues, correct them either in warranty period or with reasonable effort and cost (for me) beyond the warranty...we discussed worst case scenarios...costs of major repairs beyond...etc...even filiform corrosion...but we found ways in discussing it with AS owners to do a good job in preventing major headaches...and felt reasonably confident that despite all these concerns, we simply did not want to buy the alternatives...we entertained one other brand TT, that offered all composite materials, but it was fraught with quality issues way worse with reading a forum and it went outa biz....and we never really like the style of the thing much either...

1 year in, and yes, we have had a few hiccups...but honestly, nothing serious...a leak from the front compartment...it seems to have been corrected so far and no further leaking is evident and it will be leak tested and anything corrected....otherwise actually, the trailer is holding up - totally dry...which actually is quite good news with all the possible leaks that you can get from awning rails, from stuff up top, from windows, etc....and with our application of anticorrosive as discussed on this forum, we have not seen a spec of filliform on the panels (a tad on the grab handle next to the door.

Importantly, nothing has stopped us from actually using our trailer, enjoying it, have not missed a trip because of our small issues, and no major costly problems...

If that all seems daunting and spooky or excessive maintenance given the cost of the trailer...then that is good..for you...because if it is too much, then you will not enjoy these aspects of ownership...they will seem a huge burden and you will be upset...if all these possibilities are spooky, perhaps they should...perhaps more people "shouldn't" buy an AS and that would send a signal to the company? That is for each person in the market to consider.

Financially we are prepared for some maintenance costs and even repairs beyond the warranty period....and I am mentally prepared for that...I won't "like" it frankly, but as long as I can get it fixed and back to doing what we love as a family...it is of less concern to me honestly.

But if people leverage themselves and then find problems that cost money and/or time they do not have...sounds like a recipe for great disappointment...and if that sounds scary, then perhaps it should be?

That is how I think about it anyway...I am no expert, only sharing my inner ramblings FWIW - take care...more importantly, ENJOY camping whatever way you do it! Hope to see you around!
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:56 PM   #58
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Thanks, PharmGeek. Your comments were very reasonable and make much sense. Of course, I realize the end decision is mine and many points need to be taken into consideration for such a major investment in both money and time. I'm very capable of doing most any repair, however daunting. However, I'm at a point in my life where I just want to travel and camp..............not spend my time repairing. I have lusted over the AS for as many years as I can remember seeing them being pulled around the country and will always feel that way. (which is, I imagine, how most AS owners feel) I'll stay on the site and learn what I can so that when I win the lottery I'll be prepared to take the plunge. Thanks again for your comments.
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:16 AM   #59
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Rostam, the floor design is not flawed. The floor design is fine, the problem is water leaking into it. And PharmGeek does not have issues with his floor, his front compartment door is not sealing against the water coming in. Fortunately he has the tools and knowledge gained here to find it and dry it out, while he fixes the leak.

But new floor material doesn't matter to most of us, and that's my point. We have a plywood floor so we need to know how to protect it. And the way to protect it is find the leaks before they do damage inside the trailer.

Airstream may well put in a different floor material, then when it corrodes, delaminates, cracks or molds we can all gather here and complain about it. The problem will still be water leaks.

My own experience with our new Airstream was it was delivered without leaks. I checked it. After thousands of miles towing on all kinds of roads all over the country five new leaks developed. I found them all as they developed, then took it to Airstream who fixed it under warranty. With the tools and knowledge, we found the problem (leaks) and avoided floor rot (the result of leaks).

Airstream drills 3,000 holes and cuts openings all over these things to put them together. To imagine they should never leak is dreaming. Get the tools, and the knowledge is throughout this forum to take good care of your Airstream (do you have an Airstream?). We are always happy to see improved ways to do it.
Doug, can you imagine an Airstream where leaks do NOT cause floor rot? That's what I am hoping for. I am happy that this mentality of "Others have more problems, so we ain't fixing ours" is not prevalent in other industries. Car companies are improving their product every year. There seems to be a lack of competition in RV industry (How I wish Avion was in business...) and seems customers are OK with lack of good quality control. So I don't think anything would change anytime soon (which, I guess, is what you want).
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Old 09-23-2014, 02:43 PM   #60
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Ver-r-r-r-ry interesting! 5 pages devoted to a subject many are considering "just the cost of owning an AS." Sure are a lot of opinions on "both" sides. And now in my future reading, I stumble onto the subject of Filiform corrosion. I'll not discuss it further in this thread, but it's just another nail in the coffin. I'm liking my tiny little Casita more and more every day.
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Old 09-23-2014, 02:51 PM   #61
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Filiform, now that is subject that recently has become near and dear to my heart. Actually it has become more of a PITA.
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Oops! I think I hijacked my own thread. Let's talk about filiform on a new thread so we don't upset the masses.
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:17 PM   #63
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Chris, maybe you should just quit trolling this forum and go camping in your delightful Casita.
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Excuse me? A troll I'm not. I've wanted an Airstream trailer for as long as I can remember. If asking honest and sincere questions about it's shortcomings is offending you, I'm sorry. But I'm doing my best to sort out what is important and not in the journey to help in my decision as to whether or not to pursue such an investment. It just so happens the Casita suffers from none of the negative comments I've read about the Airstream. That doesn't make me a troll by any means and, frankly, I resent the comment.
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Old 09-23-2014, 06:15 PM   #65
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Filiform, now that is subject that recently has become near and dear to my heart. Actually it has become more of a PITA.

Did your new purchase come with some already?


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Old 09-23-2014, 07:33 PM   #66
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2006, new to me. The tail light housings are pretty narly looking. I have tried to clean it up but afraid I am going to have to remove the lights to do it right. It starting to cool off so I guess I will tackle it one day soon.
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:46 PM   #67
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Excuse me? A troll I'm not. I've wanted an Airstream trailer for as long as I can remember. If asking honest and sincere questions about it's shortcomings is offending you, I'm sorry. But I'm doing my best to sort out what is important and not in the journey to help in my decision as to whether or not to pursue such an investment. It just so happens the Casita suffers from none of the negative comments I've read about the Airstream. That doesn't make me a troll by any means and, frankly, I resent the comment.
Chris,

I dont doubt that your earlier remarks were not intended to create controversy, but if you re-read your post you might see that from an Airstream owner perspective, that might well be how it could easily be read!

Maybe best to just pursue your quest for knowledge of Airstream pros and cons without comparison to your Casita, as it sort of comes across as "Mine is better than yours!"


Filiform is indeed and issue with Airstreams. While it is really only cosmetic, you can imagine that for the price of these trailers in is an annoyance to see it appearing on an almost new trailer.

Bothers some folk more than others. We have some on our (bought used) AS and I do try to stop it getting worse. I would be much more upset. had I bought the trailer new and found it starting soon after.

It is however minor. When you are an owner and take pride in what you own, then you know all its flaws no matter how small. Most other people who look at and admire an Airstream without being any more involved - and there are many - likely don't even see it!

So far AS don't seem to have come up with a true remedy, people are advised to treat it with anti-corrosion products as soon as they see it - not the greatest solution.

I think some really dedicated owners treat all potential areas of a new trailer with hopes of never having it appear.

Lots of opportunities for it to start though. AS buy the aluminum sheet pre-coated and filiform can start any place where there is a cut edge - i.e. panel edges, rivet holes, cut-outs etc.

The problem seems to be exacerbated if people live near salt water - or places such as where we live that use a lot of road salt. The Filiform actually progresses from a cut edge under the coating applied to the aluminum.

I suppose many first time Airstream owners buy a new trailer not knowing about filiform - but others know about it and decide to buy new anyway because if you want an Airstream - it is (for now anyway) a fact of life on newer models!

At least you know about it now and can factor it into any decision you make and that has t be a good thing!


For my money, the biggest negative factors in buying a new Airstream are
filform, wooden floors, and I don't believe they make the particular floor plan that I like currently!

Who knows, I may still give in and buy a new one - they ARE nice, warts and all, nicest trailer we have ever owned and we have owned a few.

Good luck ......... Brian.
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Chris,

Just paint your casita silver, and get a rock guard for an AS. Then you will have the general appearance and rough shape of an AS and all of the design specks of the fiberglass body that you love so much!



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Here we go! I have seriously considered this since I have not been able to find a 16" AS in my price range.
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