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Old 09-22-2014, 01:01 PM   #43
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If Livinlite can figure it out what is stopping Airstream? That was a rhetorical question. The reality is that it is the bean counters at Thor that are behind the lack of using modern materials and QC at Airstream.

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Old 09-22-2014, 03:15 PM   #44
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Sometimes I am not sure if Thor has a clue what is going on in their different acquisitions. They certainly seem in denial about customer satisfaction issues at Airstream.
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:36 PM   #45
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I'm sure that Airstream/Thor knew about the QC and/or design faults causing rear end leaks on many mid-2000s units early on. They quietly made changes to their construction method starting in late 2008 or perhaps 2009 (with caulking under the belly trim piece), and then in 2010 with a rubber (plastic?) gasket around the rear floor edge.

A cardinal rule for many manufacturers: never admit liability. Obviously the staff at AS has been instructed carefully in this regard.
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:55 PM   #46
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All of this talk makes me, a not yet Airstream owner, want to reconsider a purchase. Quality "talks" because real quality "IS" real quality......like a Rolls Royce. I had been led to believe all my life that an Airstream trailer was the Rolls Royce of the towed trailer industry. Seems the advertising team has progressed beyond the manufacturing team!
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:08 PM   #47
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Chris, even given the rear leak issue (which is easily preventable if done early), most of us wouldn't trade our Airstreams for any other brand.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:17 PM   #48
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If the Airstream were as high a quality as represented, then such a repair wouldn't be needed on so many trailers that it practically has it's own forum to address. Just sayin'. I like my Casita a lot, but not because the problems are easy to fix, but because there aren't any! (at least in the 8 years it's been on the road)
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:31 PM   #49
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Chris, don't let the persistent grumblers get you down, or compare Airstream to anything but Airstream. They are a dream to tow and a joy to own. Your satisfaction with the product will depend on how you maintain it, how you set it up for towing (truck, hitch, Airstream), and the travel experiences it gives you.

This thread is about floor material; they come with plywood floors so that's what you have to regularly inspect for moisture, and fix any leak that caused it. The preventive maintenance is not hard or time consuming, but it must be done. Probe the floor perimeter with a moisture detection meter quarterly, have a Seal Tech pressure leak test done by a good rv shop just before the two year warranty expires, and every two years after if you want extra extra assurance. Do the extra maintenance and your Airstream will last a lifetime, look fantastic all the way, and worth the effort when you have to do a major repair.

If you just want an rv you can tow, park and forget about until the next trip, don't get an Airstream. And good luck with that, they all come with their own issues.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:40 PM   #50
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If the Airstream were as high a quality as represented, then such a repair wouldn't be needed on so many trailers that it practically has it's own forum to address. Just sayin'. I like my Casita a lot, but not because the problems are easy to fix, but because there aren't any! (at least in the 8 years it's been on the road)
Yeah, we had a Scamp. No trouble, but all it amounts to is a fiberglass tub turned upside down on wheels. Ours was built in 1984, sold to my son-in-law for a ice fishing shack, then sold again to a couple who camp with it.

Simplicity matters. There's a propane tank out back, no trouble in 30 years but I wouldn't go on extended travel with it or a Scamp.
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In all fairness to my little Casita, Doug, it's not a Scamp! No comparison. Sorry. I've put more than 50,000 miles on this rig since I bought it. Have had to replace the bathroom exhaust fan and a Group 27 battery..........and nothing else! Oh, I did replace the original tires at the insistence of the folks on the Casita Forum because of a rash of blowouts being experienced by owners.........which is never fun with a single axle trailer. It's small, but hardly a fiberglass "tub" any more than an Airstream is an aluminum "tank".

I really hope someday an Airstream is in my future. At least one 25' or longer. So I'll stay "attached" to this forum to learn as much about them as I can. But have to admit I'm still concerned about the plywood floor and rotting situation. Maybe by the time I can afford one, they will have completely corrected the problem. (of course, by then I'll be too old to travel in a trailer!)
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Old 09-22-2014, 05:10 PM   #52
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Doug, how difficult is for you to acknowledge, that as wonderful as Airstreams are, their floor design is flawed? PharmGeek's trailer is barely 1 year old and he is having issues with the floor already (and he lives in the south, not in the Northeast/Midwest). You may think its OK, but most people find this unacceptable, and for such an expensive product. Imagine buying a $90K Porsche and have to inspect the engine oil every month to prevent engine failure. It does not make any sense. Not sure why you are averse to Airstream improving their design.
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Well there has been a lot of great options presented here for other flooring options. I can't imagine the cost difference would be so great on a $70,000 to $90,000 unit. Has anyone ever started a petition requesting a different flooring option?

Now with that said, there are few SOBs out there that last as long as an AS. Most of your 5th wheels and white boxes have a 15 year life expectancy. I have heard and read countless stories of $70,000 fith wheels rotting out in 10-15 years.

Try to get a reservation at a high end RV park with a 15 year old White box, you will be turned away at the door. Show up with a 30 year old AS with a little bit of shine, and they will put you on the front row.

Overall, AS do hold up, like most trailers they require some maintenance. Some stuff just wears out and needs to be replaced or repaired.

Also, if your dropping 90k on any kind of RV spend the Extra $ to build a car port to put it in.

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Old 09-22-2014, 08:44 PM   #54
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I posted years ago a product I used on my floor. I used Nyloboard and I put it in back in 2008. I still have the left over pieces. One piece sits in my yard on the north side of my garden shed. It sits in the grass with house plants on it. It is still as good today as it was back in 2008. Great Stuff! The problem with it is you can no longer buy it from the factory. You have to get it from a dealer and the price has gone way up. It is comparable to construction grade plywood and I never will have to worry about rot. I put it in my bathroom which is were all the rot was located.

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Old 09-22-2014, 09:25 PM   #55
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Doug, how difficult is for you to acknowledge, that as wonderful as Airstreams are, their floor design is flawed? PharmGeek's trailer is barely 1 year old and he is having issues with the floor already (and he lives in the south, not in the Northeast/Midwest). You may think its OK, but most people find this unacceptable, and for such an expensive product. Imagine buying a $90K Porsche and have to inspect the engine oil every month to prevent engine failure. It does not make any sense. Not sure why you are averse to Airstream improving their design.
Rostam, the floor design is not flawed. The floor design is fine, the problem is water leaking into it. And PharmGeek does not have issues with his floor, his front compartment door is not sealing against the water coming in. Fortunately he has the tools and knowledge gained here to find it and dry it out, while he fixes the leak.

But new floor material doesn't matter to most of us, and that's my point. We have a plywood floor so we need to know how to protect it. And the way to protect it is find the leaks before they do damage inside the trailer.

Airstream may well put in a different floor material, then when it corrodes, delaminates, cracks or molds we can all gather here and complain about it. The problem will still be water leaks.

My own experience with our new Airstream was it was delivered without leaks. I checked it. After thousands of miles towing on all kinds of roads all over the country five new leaks developed. I found them all as they developed, then took it to Airstream who fixed it under warranty. With the tools and knowledge, we found the problem (leaks) and avoided floor rot (the result of leaks).

Airstream drills 3,000 holes and cuts openings all over these things to put them together. To imagine they should never leak is dreaming. Get the tools, and the knowledge is throughout this forum to take good care of your Airstream (do you have an Airstream?). We are always happy to see improved ways to do it.
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If you visit any forum associated with any trailer manufacturer you will run across problems that are prevalent with that model, or models of trailers. Problems exist across the board. I would hazard a guess that Airstream suffers from fewer problems than SOB's. That being said, Airstreams are still designed and built by humans not robots, so build quality problems will allways persist. If a new hire is not supervised and fails to seal one seam per trailer on his or her shift. How many trailers get built before this is caught and rectified?

If you want an indestructible perfect trailer, you will have to be hired by Airstream, learn all facets of assembly, start with Coosa board and build your own trailer. If you can't do this, then learn to live with it and enjoy the eccentricities of Airstream trailers or motorhomes (cause the floors rot in them as well).

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