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Old 06-14-2012, 08:45 PM   #71
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I agree the sheet vinyl acts to prevent water spills from the sink, beer from the table, or whatever hits the top. But under the vinyl, water can move across the subfloor from leaks. Ours had a leak from the lower awning support next to the door and a stain going half way to the other side of the trailer. It was not close to the rot stage, but given several years, maybe.

That's why I put in flooring that I could pull up easily and look for new leaks. Since the new flooring has an expansion space around it, and trim over it, there is some breathing space from the edges.

If I were putting in a new subfloor, I'd go further in sealing it or getting something impervious to water. But I'll focus on the leaks and preventing them. That's what Airstream should have done first and then worry about the floor.

Linoleum is a good product—lasts much long than vinyl, is a "natural" product, but whether it breathes enough to make a difference, I don't know. Tiles of any substance would breath a little between each tile, but will it make a real difference? Water vapor passes through painted drywall, so things that seem solid, really aren't.

The irony of this thread is that we look for floors to solve water problems when the actual problem is a poorly sealed trailer.

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Old 06-14-2012, 08:51 PM   #72
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I agree the sheet vinyl acts to prevent water spills from the sink, beer from the table, or whatever hits the top.

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This is very useful information, as I am unusually clumsy.
Where do I place this vinyl sheet to keep me from spilling things?

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Ken, in your case it would be best to wrap yourself in vinyl making sure it is sealed at the bottom. Also use vinyl sheets on the bed to protect the mattress. This will all make sense after the next beer.

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Ken, in your case it would be best to wrap yourself in vinyl making sure it is sealed at the bottom. Also use vinyl sheets on the bed to protect the mattress. This will all make sense after the next beer.

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Actually much to my sadness, I gave up drinking beer a few years back. Unknown to most people, there is a universal finite limit to the amount of beer one can consume in a lifetime. Very few individuals ever even approach this limit in their lifetime. Most of those who do, do not realize what has caused their loss of desire for beer. However one night on about my 17th or 18th beer for the evening, I suddenly became ill and upchucked about 4 or so of them. It was while in this enlightened state, that I discovered the "law of finite beer limit". I decided not to try to fight true science.

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I'm a very neat drinker I like scotch neat and bourbon neat as well.
Defining finite only works from a personal perspective. My finite may be different than your finite. The fact is, all finits are different or we would be infinite. I need to download some finite element analysis software called Bud Light. After several downloads I'll become reflective and continue this discussion with my thoughts on infinity. Stay tuned.

You guys are treating the symptons and not the problem.

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Old 06-14-2012, 11:19 PM   #76
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Exactly, and that's the problem with this thread.

Plywood won't rot if it isn't wet, and if it does get wet it won't rot if found early. Inspect and maintain your Airstream regularly, that's the easy solution.

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POI....the ENTIRE floor of our Classic was carpeted, the carpet got wet, I could feel the wet, I was leak alerted. The damage could have been a lot werse had the floor been covered with a 'noleum style product, trapping the wet beyond my finger tips. The probe on my wet meter is just long enough.....to get thru the carpet to the floor. I feel much better about not wet now.

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Exactly, and that's the problem with this thread.

Plywood won't rot if it isn't wet, and if it does get wet it won't rot if found early. Inspect and maintain your Airstream regularly, that's the easy solution.

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I am just ready to concede that with my Airstream, as with everything else in life, perfection (in this case in the leak sealage area) in not completely achievable. Given that, I want to make it as nearly perfect as I can, both against leaks AND against damage when the inevitable leaks occur.

Nyloboard is still looking good!

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Plywood won't rot if it isn't wet, and if it does get wet it won't rot if found early. Inspect and maintain your Airstream regularly
Yup I have pulled all the non-visible carpet and vinyl under bunks and storage compartments to help keep an eye on things.

I grew up around and worked on wooden and fiberglass boats. Give wet wood a chance to drain and/or dry out, and it is fine. The worst situation is wood COMPLETELY encapsulated with fiberglass (floors and stringers). NO MATTER WHAT, water finds its way through the fiberglass. It usually does not find its way out, and there is no way to know until the rot has physically weakened the structure.

I also keep the "bow" of the Airstream as high as I can while stored. That way any leaks that develop, will find their way out and not sit on the floor soaking in.
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the carpet got wet, I could feel the wet, I was leak alerted.
My early warning leak alert is more sophisticated and will loudly sound off "Something Smells Musty!". Last year I learned it is not wise to ignore this warning even though I smell nothing.

Every time we got home and were cleaning up, it would sound off.

"Nonsense" I would mutter, after inspecting everywhere. Finally I had the moisture detector narrow it down to the bedroom and started pulling carpet under the beds and storage compartments. Sure'nuf, a telltale stain on the plywood.

As I was replacing the SLOOOOWLY leaking toilet fill valve, the detector sounded off again - "I Told You So!"
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Trouble with floors of aluminum sheet, plastic product, or painted/varnished plywood is they are vapor barriers and may sweat under certain temperature differentials and humidity conditions, unfortunate because unlike houses, Airstreams travel to all climates.
...and yet, vinyl in sheet form or tiles has been used in AS and other makes of trailers for years and years. Is there any documentation that this habit has caused problems?
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My early warning leak alert is more sophisticated and will loudly sound off "Something Smells Musty!". Last year I learned it is not wise to ignore this warning even though I smell nothing.

Every time we got home and were cleaning up, it would sound off.

"Nonsense" I would mutter, after inspecting everywhere. Finally I had the moisture detector narrow it down to the bedroom and started pulling carpet under the beds and storage compartments. Sure'nuf, a telltale stain on the plywood.

As I was replacing the SLOOOOWLY leaking toilet fill valve, the detector sounded off again - "I Told You So!"
I've learned over the years....you ignore at your own peril.

I have a substantial file of ITYS's, that can NEVER be deleted.

My DW is not always rite, but I HAVE come to accept......she's never rong.

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My DW is not always rite, but I HAVE come to accept......she's never rong.
At these moments I always remind her that I knew all along I was marrying Miss Right. Just never knew that her first name was Always.
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Unknown to most people, there is a universal finite limit to the amount of beer one can consume in a lifetime. Very few individuals ever even approach this limit in their lifetime.
I believe I have reached this limit myself as I rarely find much interest in a beer, but also miss being borish, stumbling over imaginary things on the floor, seeing two of everyone, knowing everything and making really bad decisions about women. Fortunately my limit was reached before I met my wife.

Back to floors….

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