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Old 10-13-2005, 08:01 PM   #127
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this is going a LOT slower than i thought!

basically, the belly will have 2 layers of aluminum on the sides

To the first part: A-men, brother. I just spent about two hours trying to find a match for a piece of tubing that goes through my wall and acts as a vent for the sink. You just don't factor these things in when you are thinking about what you are going to get done the next day.

Second part: I put extra little pieces of skin inside my belly skin around all my outriggers as they were poking on my belly skin a bit more than I liked, so my arrangement is similar to yours. I think this double aluminum will help keep things looking good there. My outriggers had rubbed some pretty good lines into my original belly skin...

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Old 10-14-2005, 08:25 AM   #128
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...I think the water was entering the seams on the outside, probably wicking in all up and down the endcap seams, then running down the rivet lines between these end cap panels till it reached the window, then coming out behind the pieces of aluminum just above the window (on the inside)....
ditto for me. mine seems to be doing exactly the same thing. i'm removing the inner cap panels this weekend, then i guess i'll uncover it and hose it down to be sure, but those end cap seams on mine have nothing between them but dirt. there's no sealer at all. that probably explains the mountains of goop on the inside, eh?

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...I used the alcoa gutterseal carefully on each seam (I cleaned them with steel wool and mek first) and the leaks disappeared completely...
did you go from the inside or the outside? photos would be a bonus!

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...I think I am going to put them back in and rivet the wood to the fiberglass in that part....
i've definitely sold myself on laminating. no question about it. when i apply the adhesive, i'm going to put enough on there to stick an elephant to the ceiling... see if it bubbles, then! ha! how are you going to get the laminate to fit closely around the molded cabinet? does your end cap have the cabinet molded in it? i've decided to loose the cabinet on mine, so the maple pleats will all come together unobstructed over the window, with a nice nickle plated nautical clock right in the middle. man, i CAN'T WAIT to start on the inside!!! i'm about aluminated out.
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:03 PM   #129
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Yep, same, I am going to cut out the molded cabinet with a hand saw, then maybe rivet some aluminum to the back (the "inside" of the fiberglass end cap to help it hold shape around that big hole where the shelf used to be, then I am going to rivet my 1/8" baltic birch plywood pieces (eleven? like the 50's trailers?) over the fiberglass, overlapping each a bit. I should be to this in the next few days and I will put up pictures. I still consider putting metal on the interior endcaps since the rest will be wood, for contrast. I am not positive yet - I think they would look good aluminum with a wood shelf in the middle that matched the rest of the wood.

NO sealant on my end cap either. Huh? It doesn't look like there was ever any there, and there are some rather large "waves" between some of the rivets joining two segments of the end cap. I can't see how this wouldn't have leaked from day one. I expect this explains, at least partially, the rusted areas front and back in my trailer. I put the gutter seal on the outside. It doesn't really show at all, the shadow of the overlap hides it. I sealed up the inside as best I could but the leak remained as the water just ran down to where it hit the window, THEN exited onto the inside of the window. In order to fully seal from the inside, you practically would have to take out the window, certainly the trim around it anyway...

I will post some pictures of my sealing tools on my thread tomorrow evening.

Keep on truckin. As soon as you get those skins on you will be abuildin'! It was so exciting to get to insulating and cover up all that aluminum, I can't wait to put in my cork floor... Right now I am spending money like crazy, water heater, sink, stove, toilet, compressor for a built in top loading fridge, heater, wires... bank account waning, boxes of things to install waxing like the harvest moon.

Tell me about your battery plans when you have an idea. What kind are you going to use? Trojan 105's? I was thinking an interior box with vents, but have to research the vents and maybe a muffin fan for more ventilation.

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Old 10-16-2005, 07:06 AM   #130
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plans, plans, plans

everything seems to change when you get into it, but here's where i am so far (i'll include 2 other plans i was playing with up until this one). what i'm trying to do is get teh maximum amount of day-time useable space out of a 15 foot shell... WITHOUT having to fold the bed up and down. that was teh one request from the misses she wouldn't budge on... and i have to admit, i like the idea of sleeping on a bed, rather than a folded down couch. plus, one of us can get up while the other sleeps in... and most importantly, with a baby on the way (yep! i'm gonna be a dad in april! ), it'll be a place to keep teh youn-un while we still have some room to move about.... who am i kidding.. it's 15 feet! i think i've crammed about as much storage and useability into that space as i possibly could!

here's the plans...
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Old 10-16-2005, 09:02 AM   #131
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I like option 1 - its the same layout I had in my 59 Traveler. When the kids were young, they both slept on the dinette, when they got older, one slept on the dinette and the other on a small cot that went under (feet end) the dinette - worked great! People could not believe 4 of us were comfortable in that trailer.

Then my wife decided the trailer was too small.............(after the kids were gone)

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Old 10-16-2005, 10:53 AM   #132
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Wet Bath

Congratulations, childern make life better not easier.
Do you plan on using your old wet bath or do you plan on purchasing/fabricating a wet bath?
My rear bath wastes too much space.
Have others moved or changed baths easily?
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Old 10-16-2005, 11:06 AM   #133
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...People could not believe 4 of us were comfortable in that trailer....
i forgot to mention the 2 dogs, too. they way those dogs think they run things, the misses and i will be on the couch. ha!

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Old 10-16-2005, 11:09 AM   #134
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Congratulations, childern make life better not easier.
Do you plan on using your old wet bath or do you plan on purchasing/fabricating a wet bath?
thanks! i'm looking forward to it.

as for the bath, my trailer had nothing in it... not even a floor, so i'm planning on having a stainless steel pan made at the fabrication shop i've been using for other bits and bobs. once i get the interior walls back in i can get accurate measurements. i might just get them to weld the black tank into the pan, so i can get the slight slope on top to let the water run to the drain. not 100% sure how i'm going to tackle that one yet. i've even considered a flat floor, and using the grey tank as a black only. it sure would simplify things... especially on a trailer this short!

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Old 10-16-2005, 11:23 AM   #135
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I think you came to the right conclusion. I like option three too. I think you'll find you'll want a fold down shelf to the right of the sink for some kind of counter space. Counter space is a must when cooking and cleaning up afterwards. Also, will the water heater clear the wheelwell?

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Old 10-16-2005, 12:19 PM   #136
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Jordan,

Your floor plans look great. All three are nice.
Here is how I arrived at my actual floor plan, after drawing it out on paper:
I completely emptied the trailer, left only the stuff int ehre that's essential or would be part of the interior later, like the a/c and water heater, and in my case also the tub.
I thenlaid rosin paper over the entire floor and outlined the areas where the furniture will be. This way I got a very good idea what teh flow inside would be.
I found out that a 52in bed is entirely possible, and still squeeze through to get to the bathroom, and that 36in makes a very comforable single bed, with out the bed being pulled out.
The outline also gives you a very good idea about the bathroom size etc. You can stand on it and bang your elbow into an imaginary wall...or see if your behind fits in teh space you gave the the imaginary toilet...
Ask me how I know all this..
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Old 10-16-2005, 12:48 PM   #137
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Jordan,
Just had another annoying thought..
I believe that absorption refrigerators work better on the shaded side of the trailer. So, if you are going to have an awning, then the curb side fridge layout might give you better results, as the ( future?) awning shades the skin behind the refrigerator and helps the cooling eficiency. Just a minor thing, but worth mentioning.
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Old 10-16-2005, 06:03 PM   #138
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I think you came to the right conclusion. I like option three too. I think you'll find you'll want a fold down shelf to the right of the sink for some kind of counter space. Counter space is a must when cooking and cleaning up afterwards. Also, will the water heater clear the wheelwell?

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a fold down counter is DEFINITELY in the works. i jsut don't know where to fit it at this point. i think that will have to wait until i get the interior together and mocked up. This trailer layout is going to be the swiss-army-knife of trailer layouts! i'm using every single inch, with the exception of the far corner of the bed. i am tempted to put the trunk back in there, but i just can't bring myself to ruin the clean lines of the back. i plan on carrying the clean theme around the rest of the trailer as well. one of the panels i removed was only 8 feet long, and had no less than 5 holes cut into it for various access points, hookups, etc. not on the new pickle! the vent for the overhead hood only uses about 1/3 of the vent that's visible outside. i'll redo all those small... as small as possible... but i'm not cutting even the marker lights into her until all teh panels and door are back on, and the end caps polished. that should be a site. i can't wait! it'll be in december, i hope... as long as i don't freexe me bollocks off!

the water-heater is iffy. i dunno yet. worst case, i can put it on the side with teh water tank, but the water will have to travel a little further to get to the faucet.

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Old 10-16-2005, 06:05 PM   #139
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...Ask me how I know all this..

that was my plan exactly! well, sorta. i was thinking about actually mocking up walls, etc with some of the original panels i saved from the interior a few months ago.

so... how do you know?

haha!



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Fixin the ugly

I’m “sans-bucking-buddy”, so all I can do is cut the panels, and cleco to the best of my ability. That really turns out to be a 2 person job as well. one person presses the panel firm against the ribs, wheel-wells, etc, while I use all my nifty new tools and drill from the inside out. Anyway, i managed to get rid of the biggest eyesore on the pickle!!! NO MORE BONDO!!!! i have to say, in reflection, looking at the trailer now, and thinking back to the day i first set eyes on that piece of crap, and somehow fell in love...I’ve learned a LOT! When i bought her, i was worried about how to make a skin patch... now i’m thinking i should replace the roof, too! crap! why not? ha! Once you get into it, it’s all steak and potatoes.

So, I digress. today brought cutting out the HORRIBLE panel, replacing the horizontal ribbing that a friend of mine made on one of his many metal working tools. they were SO badly bent, it actually caused the door to not line up correctly. I couldn’t figure out why, until i replaced those ribs. I couldn’t resist, so i installed the door, with no panels, and it fits pretty snug. i’m still totally redoing it, however. new aluminum, new construction design, and i need to strengthen the frame at the door handle. More on that later.

Tomorrow, the misses is gonna help me rivet in the LAST of the lower panels. then all that’s left (panel-wise) is both uppers on both sides. I’ve also ordered a slew of stuff from airstreamdreams that should keep me busy for a while. FIrst up when the package gets here, reseal the endcaps! then she’ll FINALLY be water-tight, and i can <gulp> start polishing those ends to see if they match. please-o-please-o-please!

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