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Old 12-03-2010, 09:15 AM   #603
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If that cover were silver, it would even look a little like the roof of an Airstream...
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Old 12-04-2010, 05:08 PM   #604
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Started working on one of the beds today, arranging the drain for sink, ventilated battery compartment, underbed drawer, electrical and AC. Decided to go with copper for the water lines.

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Old 12-04-2010, 06:25 PM   #605
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Added a removable brace for more support, can be remove if needed.

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Old 12-04-2010, 07:01 PM   #606
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That looks like really nice and accurate work. Very crisp.

In post 605, the first photo, the removable support looks unsupported on the right extreme - will it be supported or is it strong enough to float?

You decided to go with copper. What were the factors that made you leap that way? I seem to be favoring Pex but don't have any rationale beyond freeze durability.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:01 AM   #607
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Very nice work Toastie, looks like you are not slowing down this year just because of a little snow and cold! Questioning the copper also, pex is so easy to use and probably cheaper to purchase with today's copper prices but it depends on what you are comfortable with. Pex is also easier to repair on the road if need be.
Again Great work.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:50 AM   #608
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...You decided to go with copper. What were the factors that made you leap that way? I seem to be favoring Pex but don't have any rationale beyond freeze durability.
Speaking as one who loved copper and used it in four remodels, I am now an advocate of PEX. I even removed all the copper I did from three Airstreams and replaced it with PEX. After 300+ connections and not a single leak, I am sold not only on its freeze performance, but on its installation reliability as well. As far as freeze protection goes, I can say I devoted extensive time to getting all my copper to lay flat, no humps or sags where water could pool and not be easily dumped. To my surprise, when I removed the copper from the Caravel I found several places with freeze damage (pipe expansion, no cracks), even though I had "thoroughly" dumped the system. I would not use copper in an RV in the future under any circumstance unless a fitting needed the mechanical support and could be isolated with a shutoff valve (see the link below to the Caravel installation).

PEX doesn't "lay flat" or have elegant corners (unless you use lots of 90 degree connectors), but you can achieve a very nice looking installation with some planning and a few 1/2" holddown clamps. If you start at post #3 in this thread or, for a more fully documented installation, look here or here. I especially like the red and blue pipe.

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Old 12-05-2010, 06:34 PM   #609
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Installed some copper lines and a waterless trap to one of the gray water tanks today. Plan is not to use any antifreeze.

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It's like a work of art. Very neat.
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Copper, The New Currency

I think that very soon that copper will be money in the Airstream.
Just have to watch out for theft.
Someone like me can only dream of acheiving your level craftmanship Toastie.

A waterless trap?
Sounds efficient.
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Thank you all for you kind words. I knew that I was going with copper 2 years ago and designed it in. But what really made my mind up was the cost of the sharkbite fittings. A copper 1/2" 90 deg elbow is 0.45 cents vs one sharkbite 1/2" 90 deg elbow is $7.00. The copper that you see in my pictures total price was only $18.00. However, if I where going to redo the plumbing in my 65 Caravel I would go with pex and the sharkbite fittings.


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Went with 1/2 finished plywood for the top, made template using cardboard then transferred. Looks like we can go with a 8" thick mattress

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My two cents about PEX...

I intend to use PEX when I finish the plumbing on my Airstream remodel. In the meantime I have started using it for some remodeling in my home. I decided to spring for a crimping tool (but they can be rented too) so that I could use the very inexpensive type of crimp fittings. They are amazingly easy to use and no where near as expensive as the Sharkbite types of fittings. One thing I like very much about using PEX so far is how easy it is to flex it in and around things. Less joints are needed because of that. Also it is a bit easier to get it into odd places since it can be threaded through places somewhat like electrical wiring. I am also intending to install PEX for radiant heating in the floor of my Airstream - which is another story of its own. I have been buying all of my PEX tubing and fittings at Home Depot so far. I may buy some from an online store for the floor heating because it can bend to a tighter radius than the products that HD sells. I have done copper tubing before for various projects including a radiant heating system in a former house but I am not going back. In short I like PEX very much.

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...A copper 1/2" 90 deg elbow is 0.45 cents vs one sharkbite 1/2" 90 deg elbow is $7.00. The copper that you see in my pictures total price was only $18.00. However, if I where going to redo the plumbing in my 65 Caravel I would go with pex and the sharkbite fittings....toastie
PEX ring crimp 1/2" elbows -- $0.58 in a box of 25

I got my crimper used from a local plumbing store which was selling one of it's rental units. Sharkbites are great for quick repairs in the field by hand, but in hundreds of crimps, I have had zero failures [so far].

Love da crimper! Anyone seen red and blue copper?

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Since the thread started as "slow floor replacement" and has become so much more, I think toastie should start a new thread called "Slow Interior Design" and another entitled "Slowly Driving to Places", closed out by "Slowly Camping, At Last!"
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