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Old 08-23-2011, 09:25 PM   #155
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It's your choice to use a primer or not. I always do.
That is exactly the info I was looking for Top. Now I can order my stuff and be ready to paint when the man in charge finishes the welding and attaching the axles. Thanks so much for your help. I appreciate the quick service!
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Paint under the area where the axles mount too. Don't worry so much about the paint then welding - you can always re-coat the area. There will always be finishing touches to the welding/paint process - just keep it up whenever the finish gets desturbed. I wouuldn't pass on the primer - you only get that kind of access to the frame once - primer first is a good step.

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Old 08-23-2011, 10:20 PM   #157
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Order placed for primer and paint

Just ordered the primer, paint, and degreaser/cleaner for the frame. Thanks to Top for helping me along in the process. ! No one can accuse me of not having faith that we won't have a frame to work on when I order the paint to get it painted. Hopefully the products will work as the website said they will and I can put them on without a problem. If not, plan B.

I am still working on removing decals and I got some 3M Adhesive Remover yesterday at the local auto supply store. It worked well to remove the remaining adhesive on the decals that I have gotten off to date. I have yet to try it on Louisiana but hopefully it disappears like magic. No offense to Louisiana intended. It was hard to melt off North Dakota too but had to be done. The rest of the US should be disappearing within a week or so when I get a chance to go out with my steam iron again.

Husband welded on the frame when he got home and it is moving along. He got a heavier steel to beef up the frame and it looks really sturdy. We might be inadvertantly be building the next tank but we want it to hold up and not have any rear sag or separation. I am excited to get to the point I can paint the frame. Another yippee to that!

I am back to work full time again and have class most Saturday and Sundays for the next couple of months so I won't have a lot of free time. When I get away from work, homework, and other responsibiities, I will be painting the frame and getting ready for the next step on the Albatross. Double Yippee! And to think I am so excited for painting a frame, watching the axles go on, and just making progress.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:14 PM   #158
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Paint under the area where the axles mount too. Don't worry so much about the paint then welding - you can always re-coat the area. There will always be finishing touches to the welding/paint process - just keep it up whenever the finish gets desturbed. I wouuldn't pass on the primer - you only get that kind of access to the frame once - primer first is a good step.

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Thanks Mike,
I did order the primer and will be paying attention to getting the paint on well and with my husband's natural tendencies to try to do things pretty close to flawlessly, I have faith the welding will be good. He is also going to have the welding instructor come and check things out before we paint. Things are starting to get interesting on the trailer.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:18 PM   #159
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Some interesting pictures would be nice
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Next question:
My husband has been using Hobart wire in his welder and has gone through a fair amount of it. Does it matter if he goes to something not made by Hobart or should he stick to the one brand only? Does anyone know if there are differences in quality between the name brands and the more generic brands? Thanks for your help. More questions to follow...guaranteed.
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I'd use a good quality made in the USA wire. Thee are many choices. Most guys have their own preferences. The guys at the welding supply store here in town only sell one brand. It has been working for me.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:28 PM   #162
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I am not a good or even mediocre photographer so I won't even claim to be even passable or have anything interesting but will put some up when we have something to show for the work. My husband is still welding the crossmembers up and he was showing me tonight how he is working the welds on each one. He also showed how once he ground the welds down on the top of the frame, it looks like it is all one piece of metal. That part was reallly interesting and I think he really likes this welding stuff. And he didn't think he would ever be interested in welding. It was when he started in on the tensile strengths of different metals that I started to drift....away....

So I promise to put up pictures once there is something to show, and hopefully that won't be too long from now. I don't want to bore people too much with every detail but I will add something down the road. My paint and primer is on order so now and I guarantee that process will be interesting because normally I end up wearing as much paint as what I was attempting to coat. Watch for pictures of someone covered in chassis black paint....and I won't take it at night either.
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The lincoln inter shield flux wire at lowes / homedepot is pretty good . Most of what they carry is .035 wire. Works fine in a Hobart
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It is much better to brush on. If you have any surface rust / powdery residue it will disturb this into the paint when brushed. If sprayed the paint can float on this layer of contamination and peel off in sheets at a later date. Brush brush brush!
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I was hoping a brush would work because I prefer to use a brush and don't want to get into spraying equipment and all that stuff. Simple works well for a Norwegian trying to work on an AS for the very first time.
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My husband has been using Hobart wire in his welder and has gone through a fair amount of it. Does it matter if he goes to something not made by Hobart or should he stick to the one brand only? Does anyone know if there are differences in quality between the name brands and the more generic brands? Thanks for your help. More questions to follow...guaranteed.
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The brand doesn't matter as long as it's a reputable label. ESAB, Lincoln, Hobart are just a few brands, and there are several others that will work just as well. Not sure if you're using a hard, or cored wire Just stick with the same grade (ER70S-X, E71T1-X, etc.) and shielding gas combination if it's worked well for you so far.
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The brand doesn't matter as long as it's a reputable label. ESAB, Lincoln, Hobart are just a few brands, and there are several others that will work just as well. Not sure if you're using a hard, or cored wire Just stick with the same grade (ER70S-X, E71T1-X, etc.) and shielding gas combination if it's worked well for you so far.
Thanks Kevin,
I was concerned about the quality too and didn't want to try anything without checking here first. I will watch for the American products as Top suggested and also the same grade as you suggest. I don't know what is the hard (is that the sticks?) or the cored but he has a spool of wire on his machine that he is using so I am going to guess that means cored. I appreciate your feedback and information.
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Glad to hear you are seeing progress finally! :-) My project has been a great excuse to buy tools I've always wanted. I did what you guys did, I bought a nice Hobart welder and did it myself. I've just welded the replacement outriggers on my frame. The welds are ugly as can be but I'm sure they will hold. I've stayed with just the Hobart line of flux core .030 wire because that is what is sold by the farm store where I bought the equipment and it seems a good place to start.

I've been welding every evening since I bought the beast and having a blast with it. There aren't two pieces of scrape steel within sight that haven't been touched by the new welder.

Oh, I also chose a Hobart because they are 100% made in the US. I'm annoyed with Harbor Fright at the moment, that air rivet gun I bought worked for about 10 rivets before it quit functioning entirely. I had to break out the hand driven version so there was no way I'd consider a welder from Harbor Fright.

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Glad to hear you are seeing progress finally! :-) My project has been a great excuse to buy tools I've always wanted. I did what you guys did, I bought a nice Hobart welder and did it myself. I've just welded the replacement outriggers on my frame. The welds are ugly as can be but I'm sure they will hold. I've stayed with just the Hobart line of flux core .030 wire because that is what is sold by the farm store where I bought the equipment and it seems a good place to start.

I've been welding every evening since I bought the beast and having a blast with it. There aren't two pieces of scrape steel within sight that haven't been touched by the new welder.

Oh, I also chose a Hobart because they are 100% made in the US. I'm annoyed with Harbor Fright at the moment, that air rivet gun I bought worked for about 10 rivets before it quit functioning entirely. I had to break out the hand driven version so there was no way I'd consider a welder from Harbor Fright.

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I say we are keeping the economy going with our DYI for AS and tool purchases. Somebody has to save the US from collapse and we are doing our part. Plus I think no one really gets too many tools do they? Is there such a thing?

Next issue is the welding tanks are down to 50% or so and the welder is "acting funny" so my husband thinks he needs to refill the tanks tomorrow. Hopefully that takes care of it. He is having a good time with it and he likes it much more than he thought he would.
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