Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-24-2012, 12:27 PM   #99
Rivet Master
 
2005 22' International CCD
Buckhorn , Ontario
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,773
Images: 59
Blog Entries: 5
Send a message via Skype™ to GT1963
Confusion...

I guess some people might be a bit confused by my name - GT1963 - I had it changed from when I was GT1969 - but this thread concerns my 05 CCD Int'l. Right now I just can't come up with a good name to even represent this trailer I'm sleeping in....maybe TTTT - Tissue Thin Tin Tent!

Today I feel beaten...looking under the trailer to just remove the belly skin is an effin nightmare!

The curb side is not so bad but the other side has all the plumbing and propane pipes.

Has anyone taken their mere 7 year old trailer to have it completely re-hauled underneath. Cuase that is what I need to do - basically rebuild the whole underside of this trailer. From the rust to the corrosion to the piece of crap frame all this "iconic Hype" is sitting on. Sure the aero dynamic is at once my best friend - but heck if you can't pull the dang thing down the road more than 5 years without the ASS literally falling off - What is the point of this "marvel".

I wish I had a seance with Wally and say - hey help me out here...

This is just amazing that I would have to be looking at a "vintage" (like I'm talking a 40 year old trailer - level restore to a 7 year old trailer - actually it got this way about 2 years ago - so that would really constitute it looking like crap within 5 years of it coming off the Airstream line.

I have a good mind just to tell the welder to set the dang thing on fire here on the spot! Box up the ashes and send them to the Factory - oh hum.

Okay seriously though - as for the tanks. Can I not just bend the lip of the tanks that run down the main frame down and a way from the frame? - they are not attached to the frame rail at all. You can slip metal behind it (actually that is what the #131 bracing kit instructs - no welding there just slip it in. Of course you can't weld the two together - because if you needed to remove the tank after you would be SOL - but what about bending it enough to get behind it and then just have a couple of lags go through the frame?

I can't fathom this job in having to remove the tanks - the propane lines maybe that run along the street side - where I need to do the same to the left as I do to the right.

Has anyone had a complete belly/frame restore to a NEW trailer??? What would something like this cost me - any best guesses?
__________________

__________________
Everything will be alright in the end. If it is not alright now, then it is not the end.
GT1963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 01:49 PM   #100
Site Team
 
Aage's Avatar
 
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa , ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,204
Images: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by GT1963 View Post
As mentioned earlier. There are only two Airstream Dealers in Ontario - one in London 6 hours drive and the other in Ottawa a 4 hour drive.
If you're really in Lakefield, guess what? It's 4 hours to either one.

However, the one in Ottawa is mainly an SOB dealer, whereas the one in London is mainly an AS dealer. BIG difference in attitude and knowledge about "our" brand, AFAICS.
__________________

__________________
“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.”
...John Wayne...........................
Aage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 01:59 PM   #101
Rivet Master
 
2005 22' International CCD
Buckhorn , Ontario
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,773
Images: 59
Blog Entries: 5
Send a message via Skype™ to GT1963
I'm west of Stirling right now. At Island Park RV resort - where I have a seasonal site.

After my third fellow looking at this and talking to me - I just feel so overwhelmed.

I have called CanAM RV and will be sending them my set of photos and took some more of the general deterioration of this undercarriage.

I have told them my whole situation and will see what they recommend.

I have dealt with Andy at CA - and he is a great guy and super knowledgeable.

I thought as this job gets out of hand - I need to some how reign it in before my trailer just becomes a lump of garbage in the trailer park here.
__________________
Everything will be alright in the end. If it is not alright now, then it is not the end.
GT1963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 03:46 PM   #102
Rivet Master
 
safari57's Avatar
 
1951 21' Flying Cloud
1960 24' Tradewind
West Coast , BC
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,790
Images: 10
Send a message via MSN to safari57
When it comes down to it, the job needs to be done in a shop given all that is needed. Having an Airstream knowledgeable group do the work is a plus as they may be able to assist you with your discussions with the mother ship.

I've seen far too many projects started, the owner becomes overwhelmed with what is needed, doesn't have the tools or knowledge to finish it properly, and the outcome is either it is not done correctly, it is sold as a project, or it becomes a nightmare of an on going never ending project that the owner will come to dislike in a major way.

Does any one know if insurance would cover any of this? Just wondering........and I still think you need to go to Transport Canada and find out where you go to get some government assistance in dealing with what is potentially a wide spread safety issue with this year and model of trailer.


Keep us posted - and you are in our thoughts and prayers - I know if any of us were nearer we'd be out trying to help. It is the nature of Airstream owners it seems, to do whatever we can to help our fellow campers.
__________________
Barry & Donna
Life is short - so is the door on a '51 Flying Cloud (ouch)
safari57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 04:04 PM   #103
Rivet Master
 
SilverRanger's Avatar
 
2005 19' Safari
1968 24' Tradewind
Rural , Delaware
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,475
"First - WTH - are these wires for - they just were hanging out the floor of the trailer and lead nowhere or attach to anything - anyone know what they are? almost look like speaker wires??"

Hiya, Ladybug. Your thread caused me to go outside in the wee hours, in my underwear with flashlight in hand, to check my own frame on my 2005 19ft. (I can do that because I'm in the middle of nowhere ). It's mostly concealed by the belly pan, but everything seems to be in order.

Those wires could be a pre-wire for external speakers as part of the Audio/Video package. I got the A/V package on my Bambi, and it seems to be located in the same place. I wish you the best in your quest to get this resolved.
__________________
2005 Bambi
1968 Trade Wind
2007 Ford F250 4x4 Crew
WDCU
SilverRanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 05:57 PM   #104
Rivet Master
 
Happycampers's Avatar
 
1979 30' Argosy
Havelock , where we park it
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,652
Flatbed

Sharon.. Could we flatbed it over to CA?
__________________
Marvin & Annie
Niki (fur baby)
1979 Argosy 30 (Costalotta)
WBCCI 10103
"Happiness is a warm Puppy" Charles Schulz
Happycampers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 06:08 PM   #105
Rivet Master
 
2005 22' International CCD
Buckhorn , Ontario
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,773
Images: 59
Blog Entries: 5
Send a message via Skype™ to GT1963
It might be an option.

Can Am is reviewing the full set of photos I sent them today, along with the assessment the welders have given me. I have one more guy coming out tomorrow - he is right here in Stirling.

I am thinking of those two options - just either do a spot plate weld and take a slow ride to CanAm, or start looking at maybe CAA to tow it over for me - but I would have to take it on the road and become miraculously disabled - I have the 200klm radius though so not sure how much it would be the rest of the way. And then of course there is tempting fate, and have my outriggers give way or break at the slightest bump - or worse have the otherside break - there is already cracks on the street side rear outrigger and bending.

I don't know this is all such a crap shoot right now. Just have to sit tight and wait for all the pieces to fall in place.

Would it not bounce around on a flat bed? Maybe not as much but still would right?

Maybe Skylift or whatever that insurance company is - might come and airlift it to emergency? Or at least come and get me and put me in a rubber room and out of my own misery - OMG I am the drama queen right now.
__________________
Everything will be alright in the end. If it is not alright now, then it is not the end.
GT1963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 06:35 PM   #106
Rivet Master
 
mutcth's Avatar

 
2007 23' Safari SE
Central , Connecticut
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,632
It would bounce on the flatbed, but the flatbed trailer's suspension would be absorbing the worst of the road bumps - not your frame. You could also strap it down pretty tight.

I've been in something of the same situation. I got a call from Frank's Trailer Works that two of the five cross members of my Argosy's frame had basically come unwelded from the main rails. All unexpected work. You sit down, sigh a deep breath, and go ahead with it.

While CanAm will undoubtedly cost more to do the work, they know how to get all of this apart - and back together again. You'll have a working trailer in probably 3 weeks rather than months. (I'm a client of theirs as well.)

Hoping for the best.

Tom
__________________
mutcth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 06:54 PM   #107
Rivet Master
 
Foiled Again's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach , Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,883
Sharon, I'm thinking (always dangerous) that if you can brace the A/S on the ground, you should be able to brace it on a trailer. Haul it up and put blocks under the frame and outriggers. They'd have to strap the unit down by the tires/axles but then the whole trailer and Airstream would move as a unit. How are the roads between you and the dealer? I'd tow at 35-45 even if they're prety good.

Do you have any place to store your stuff other than your tow vehicle - a storage locker or anything? Perhaps you could ship it to a friend or maybe Peter would keep it for you while the work is being done.

Does this feel like it's going to turn into a Frame Off/New Frame deal? Of course if you do that - you might as well replace the OSB floor too. US Prices for the job WAG (wild ass guess) $7000 - Frame probably $1000-1500, Plywood floor $300, Waterproofing Plywood $200 - labor all the rest.

I just get a headache thinking of what the vintage owners go through removing the interior, redoing the plumbing, propane, electric lines, lifting the shell, and prepping the floor, drilling the floor for electric, plumbing, propane, etc., then resetting the shell and putting the interior back in. At least the appliances are good and you don't HAVE to upgrade or redo the sound system, faucets, plumbing from scratch. It will have to take at least a week or two at least to do the work.

I haven't closed the deal on the Avion yet - don't know if I will - but if that happens wanna borrow it for the duration? (The BIG "IF" is a bad roof vent in the bedroom - if it's 3 week's damage that's one thing. Three years and black mold is a deal breaker for me. )

It's UGLEEEEE inside! But if it's habitable and I get it, I'd lend it to you for the duration.

Paula

Paula
__________________
Today is a gift, that's why they call it the present.
Foiled Again is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 12:48 AM   #108
Rivet Master
 
safari57's Avatar
 
1951 21' Flying Cloud
1960 24' Tradewind
West Coast , BC
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,790
Images: 10
Send a message via MSN to safari57
Any update on what is happening? Just hoping things are sorting out okay for you.
__________________
Barry & Donna
Life is short - so is the door on a '51 Flying Cloud (ouch)
safari57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 07:54 AM   #109
3 Rivet Member
 
2013 22' FB Sport
College Place , Washington
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 118
I will say that the lack of customer service from airstream on this issue has probably been the end of my airstream dreams. IHMO, with a systemic known frame problem they should have dropped a tech with a portable welder on a plane to the customer and had him fix it on site. It appears that the Airstreams are much higher quality than the standard box trailers, but not enough to justify it with this kind of problem and customer service...

A frame should never break this new.

-Dwight
__________________
morgandc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 08:36 AM   #110
Rivet Master
 
2005 22' International CCD
Buckhorn , Ontario
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,773
Images: 59
Blog Entries: 5
Send a message via Skype™ to GT1963
Hello there.....just so a few people don't have to wear the T-Shirt
A.S.S.U.M.E

Airstream factory has been in constant contact with me! Randy has been very cooperative and what I need to fix my frame is on it's way.

As for getting to the bottom of the known issue with the 02/03 manufacturing issues and what changes were made to the 04's during their manufacturing Randy is working with the Engineers to get an answer to me - that is pending.

I have had several welders out as well as being in touch with CanAM Andy T to provide me with advice on whether I can move her to a close by location to reduce my costs.

I feel more than comfortable with the information I have been provided to drop my psi put the 4-ways on and take it 10Klm down the road to a reputable welder to weld the Bracing/Stiffener kit that was used on the 02-03 frames.

The only part that I am doing to reduce labour costs is to remove the quarter panels under the trailer for easy access for welding. They are corroded and need replacing anyway. And has not been an overly difficult job as 75% of the rivets have come loose anyway.

My Parts are sitting in Concord at the moment hung up during the Sun/Mon shut down for our Civic Holiday. As soon as they arrive at my Dad's place I will call my welder and hopefully she will be booked in this coming Thurs/ Frid.

Once the frame is fixed then I will going one step further and doing maintenance on the rusty frame - which is surface rust and sanding off the corrosion on the tanks, replacing any parts of the underbelly skin - removing the old pink insulation and replacing with foam, replacing some of the pipe hangers and such with rusted out screws. Get some por-15 in and treat the exposed frame. I need several tubes of the stuff they use to seal up the holes and crevices ?? (what is this stuff called anyone?).

From there she will be better than new underneath.

As for the inside - I will repair the bent L-seating, remove the linoleum flooring and install new flooring, and give once again another fix to the side panel between the bathroom and galley. Another tel tail sign of frame issues - apparently. I'm not removing the entire contents to do the floor - that is why they made trim.

As for customer relations relating to other 04 owners - I have some suggestions that I will make to Airstream upon receiving an answer regarding changes made to the 04 frames.

Sort of along the lines of - awareness and safety.

Gentlemen - there will be no helicopters, new frames issued or replacement of product I can assure you of that. while of course in a perfect economic prosperous world that might be a luxury - but I have to factor in (common sense) that my trailer does have a certain degree of wear and tear, and exposed to a certain degree of environmental elements.

None of course that warrants this type of break and so prematurely.

Airstream IS assisting me financially.

The key on a case by case basis is strictly between that customer and the manufacturer. What I may be accepting, as a solution, is my choice and may not meet others expectations. To follow others expectations and go about this in a manner I can assure you that I will be sitting here with a broken frame till the cows come home.

And this lady is going on a HUGE road trip....I haves made my decision to change my life radically and I am moving to Vancouver Island - and doing some serious traveling with this baby of mine. So I am just really glad that all this has been discovered BEFORE I just pulled out of here with a set of new brakes....and that IS my silver lining folks....

I will not have any further issues with my frame once it receives the appropriate engineered fixes. That makes me extremely happy and I will feel perfectly safe bouncing down the pathetic interstates - ha no maybe there is where all the verbal efforts should go - to the road works departments - lord knows our potholes up here can break a transport truck in half Actually the have disappeared into such holes if History is accurate

Sorry I did not get back sooner - but I did not have anything else new till the parts were on their way.
__________________
Everything will be alright in the end. If it is not alright now, then it is not the end.
GT1963 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 09:27 AM   #111
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
Dwight, this frame problem is particular to the 22' trailer. There are other trailers with known problems—for ex., some long trailers (30' and up) made in the early '00's seem to be experiencing front end separation. Some smaller ones from the same era had OSB subfloors. '70's trailers were known for some problems including rear end separation. A 20 year old trailer may have pealing clear coat. I am not very exact about this because I can't remember it all, but there are a lot of trailers that are not having catastrophic problems.

A well maintained fairly new trailer could be a good choice. Note that GT' is getting help from Airstream. It is not a really big company and can't send helicopters although there have been times I wished they had. RV's are not made to the standards of cars and trucks, and though that is regrettable, you will find problems all over, though there are better rated brands, there are not a lot of them.

Don't give up the dream yet, research more and maybe you'll find the one that fits your needs.

Gene
__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 09:31 AM   #112
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
GT',

Glad to see things are moving along and surely you'll have a lot better trailer when this is over.

It can't be as much a test as moving, and that's quite a change. You'll end up in a very nice and cosmopolitan city with a fixed up trailer and another version of you. Quite an adventure.

Gene
__________________

__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.