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Old 05-21-2008, 02:24 PM   #85
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Malcolm, thanks very much for your reply on the shears. I've sent a PM to say, basically, that I am leaning toward the air shears because the electric one is so heavy. I think if the compressor will handle the air flow, the fatigue factor will be less than with electric. I'll follow up more on the shears on my renovation thread.

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I live in Portland, Oregon but I telecommute to a company in Tempe, AZ. On one of the last trips that I made to Phoenix I spent both directions sketching up all sorts of details for how I am intending to put my Airstream back together.

I don't think you will have any problems with shears with your compressor but I would like to hear how it goes. I still want to buy a pair of shears and I have been debating whether to buy electric ones or air powered. Have you bought your shears yet? Where did you get yours? I think that pretty much any tool that does not use a continuous large volume flow of air will work just fine.

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Do you have a local Harbor Freight store? If you do you might want to check the online price for anything you buy and call the store before you go to see if the item is in stock. If the store price happens to be higher you can take in the online print out and they will typically honor the online price.

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Old 05-21-2008, 02:29 PM   #86
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Try looking at air-powered nibblers. They don't seem to deform the sheet metal like some sheers can.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:42 PM   #87
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Shears vs. Nibblers...

Out of curiosity I took a look at Harbor Freight shears and nibblers. The shears are rated at 4 CFM of air while the nibblers are rated at a whopping 17.5 CFM of air. I would guess this is because the nibbler runs continuously more like a saw would while the shear runs on a more part time basis. For my compressor I know that I would have to stick with the shears just because of the air flow requirement.

Interestingly there may be some printing issues in the Harbor Freight catalog. The pistol grip shears are the ones that are rated at 4 CFM while the straight shears are rated at 16 CFM. So which one is right?

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Old 05-21-2008, 04:20 PM   #88
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Nyloboard and compressors...I'm ready! Uwe, let me know how that sample holds up under your scrutiny.
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:33 PM   #89
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Nyloboard and compressors...I'm ready! Uwe, let me know how that sample holds up under your scrutiny.
Well, funny you asked...I just got a quote from them, looks like about $ 693 for one kind, and $639 for another kind of 3/4 Nyloboard. The size requested was 8ftX19ft for a Flying Cloud. I don't even know if that would be the right size, I eyeballed it for the quote only.
$ 4.56 per square foot.
Depending on the freight charge, this might just work. But with fuel being so high, I am afraid that the freight charge might blow the deal out of the water.

I am supposed to get a freight quote next week.
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Old 05-22-2008, 04:44 AM   #90
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Nyloboard will send you samples for free so you can compare.

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Old 05-30-2008, 11:56 AM   #91
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Nyloboard and compressors...I'm ready! Uwe, let me know how that sample holds up under your scrutiny.
I received the samples, and they look very nice, feel nice and will be cut and drilled into tody to see how the material compares to Marine ply.

I received a bare sample, and one with fiberglass surfaces.
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:03 PM   #92
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I am supposed to get a freight quote next week.
I got the freight quote.....

Hi Uwe,
This is the information I just received from shipping and receiving. I know you are trying to use one piece and that will be awesome! Another alternative would be to use 4x8 sheets. Thanks, ~Kimberly

This board 3/4x8x19 will weigh about 775 lbs and will be hard to handle without a pallet, freight companies are saying it needs to go on a flat bed
Old Dominion pup truck quote $3100.06
Trans National quote for flat bed $2500.00


That's for the one piece.

For a pallet with 5ea. 3/4 x 4x8 is the following:

Uwe,
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Old Dominion quote for one pallet weighing 475 lbs
Quote $265.44



So, while the freight for a pallet of sheets is surprisingly reasonable, the one piece floor shipping is completely out of the question. Heck, I could go from CA to GA and get it for that price...
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:03 PM   #93
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I got the freight quote.....

This board 3/4x8x19 will weigh about 775 lbs...


For a pallet with 5ea. 3/4 x 4x8... weighing 475 lbs
Something is wrong with Kimberly's math if 19LF weighs 300lbs more than 20LF.

I would think you could do just as well with 4X8 sheets since you will have the side drops to use a splines at the joints. Just use the fiberglass faced product and epoxy the lap joints together. This would provide a stronger and stiffer floor than the single sheet.

I can't wait to hear the results of the "destructive" testing.
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I'd double check with Old Dominion on the freight quote. It will take two pallet spaces rather than just one pallet.
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I just bought 6 sheets of Nyloboard to replace the floor in my new 1958 overlander and I got it for $48 per sheet. I did however have to pay $180 to have it shipped to Wisconsin
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Wow it has really dropped in price. Maybe I should go out and find another trailer to work on. Ha. Ha.

My scrap left over nyloboard has been sitting out in the yard for 2 1/2 years and it has not changed at all. It is as hard and durable as the day I bought it. I use it to put plants on. It gets dirt and rain and has not warped or anything except change color from the dirt on it.
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Did you use a floating floor or lino glue down?Does it machine like ply ie holding screws etc.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:08 AM   #98
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thanks for bumping the thread.

I'm pretty sure the next Airstream in my future will be a renovation - not another new one. I really like the look of the new Serenity - but when the regular CCD version for 2010 lists at $73K - well it makes an $8K trailer(shell with good appliances and axles) and $40K of professional renovation seem reasonable does it not?

If Airstream was ready to make the subfloor of nyloboard, and certify the frame against rust and breaking for 5 years - I'd pay the price for a new one.... but as it is I want my last Airstream to be able to outlast me.

The new subfloor will definitely be nyloboard - as long as the people who have used it would vouch for it 2 or 3 years later. Comments please. And if I get a widebody, I wonder if they'll custom cut the sheets into 8.5 feet lengths?

And no I won't be doing the bulk of the work myself. Enough talent maybe, a place to do the work, no but could find one, enough time and enough focus to actually stay the course - Not gnna happen. Planning to call those nice guys outside of Afton VA to discuss the possibilities.

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