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Old 05-30-2010, 03:04 PM   #1
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New some advice on what I found under the vinyl floor

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I just purchased a 2005 International 28'. It looked like a sweet unit when I got. I had planned to get the vinyl out of there as soon as I got it home. When I tore up the old flooring I noticed a low spot between the shower and the bathroom. Once I got the flooring up I discovered a hand-written box, about 20"x20" that says "Bad Soft Spot". When I look around I notice that the ink is consistent with the original markings that are throughout the trailer's floor in terms of how much it's faded, thickness, color, etc. My belief is that Airstream put in the floor, knew there was a soft spot, added a couple of extra screws and laid the flooring over the top.

I haven't measured the low spot but I imagine it is at least 1/4 inch lower in the middle. There is also another soft spot near the heater duct in the kitchen.

I'd like to get some opinions on what to do here. I just bought it used from a dealer who was consigning the trailer in Salt Lake City.

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Old 05-30-2010, 04:05 PM   #2
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uh oh. what does the paperwork say from the dealer? any disclaimers? any sign of water damage? leakage? i wouldn't start repairing the floor w/o knowing more about how it got to be 'soft'.

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Old 05-30-2010, 04:38 PM   #3
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Also did the floor come up easily without having to cut the vinyl to get it out.In mine it goes under all the furniture and cabinets.This could be the result of them replacing it at the said dealership if there was something wrong poosibly.Not saying there is though.
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Old 05-30-2010, 05:31 PM   #4
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Wow, a bad floor in a 2005!!! Yikes!

I would contact the dealership where you bought it before I did anything to repair the floor.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:48 PM   #5
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Weak man. However looking over the floor with a careful eye, it doesn't look like the floor has been patched. Very odd. I'm wondering if the frame was actually defective and they went ahead and built the unit anyway. I'm thinking that the cross member might have been welded to the main frame members about 1/4 inch too low, or that it might not have had a droop instead of being level. Of course the black and gray tanks are mounted under that section of the floor too, so it's possible the weight of those caused the floor to sag.

You've gone this far, drop the belly pan in that section. You'll see more clearly what's happening from below.

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Old 05-30-2010, 07:50 PM   #6
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My suspicions are that this is original, from Airstream. The reason for thinking is that the vinyl in there was edge to edge in the trailer and all the cabinetry was put on top. The ink, the color, the writing, the aging, etc are all the same as the marks used to layout the flooring. And, as mentioned, there is no patch work. My guess is this thing got to this phase of work and they elected to go ahead with it despite being ID'd as a "Bad Soft Spot".

I am wondering if I have any recourse with Airstream. It is obviously outside the warranty. Given this was done there and was willfully overlooked I am wondering if there is a possible negligence case.
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Old 05-30-2010, 07:57 PM   #7
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From my visit and talks with the service personnel at JC last week, all finished flooring covering is installed over the entire sub-floor in one piece and the furniture is installed on top. This is the way it's always been - so I am told, since the one piece covering was brought into the production of the modern trailers.

I will say that I have never seen a piecemeal floor board used in the subfloor. They are usually the width of the trailer and in 4 foot sections (length wise to the trailer) or enough length to reach from frame member to frame member. So, if there is a small piece then I would say there was a repair - where though???? factory or dealer???? That is a big question.

It's not below AS to make in assembly corrections to the production line. Check to see where your serial number fits if you can, in the years production. Was it an early model and they had to adjust for a design flaw? Could be they caught an error and tried to make a quick repair. When they pulled my furniture out last week for a subfloor repair there were over 200 rivit "nails" under the kitchen cabinet, so much for cleaning up on the line as the go along.
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:03 PM   #8
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There never was a repair, all the subflooring is intact and original. The vinyl flooring was in one piece and it under all furniture and cabinets so it was also the original. This is what leads me to believe it happened at the factory.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:26 PM   #9
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Call AS and ask for the top level contact information and let them know the problem. Make sure that you present it the same as you have on this thread. From the sounds of it, it seems like you have enough proof of negligence to have a case. Either way, give them a chance to respond. Make sure you get names of people you talk to, dates, etc. in case you need to further pursue it. Phone conversations as well as mailing a certified letter and pics of the problem are important. It may be a time consuming process, but you may get a favorable response. Either way, keep track of EVERYTHING.
Bottom line is to make it clear to them that "They have knowingly put out a faulty product"
My wife went through a similar situation (not with an AS) and she got the run around until she talked to a manager and told them just that. The problem was taken care of soon after.
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Old 06-20-2010, 06:35 AM   #10
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It quite possible that that area was identified as being soft OR potentailly being soft due to teh amount of knots in the wood in that small area...THOSE can allow for a soft area...Not sure if id say its a faulty product, or even neglect... minimally its crappy workmanship..
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Old 06-20-2010, 09:54 AM   #11
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Your subfloor seems to be in pristine condition--the few stains I see are from the markers?

Is it indeed soft? How soft? If it is low, how low?

I'm guessing the wood is "has always been dry" condition. Maybe, maybe, that pinkish pattern can be indicative of some moisture in the past (condensation?) Without having seen the whole pattern of pink throughout the entire trailer, I reserve the judgement.

If you determine, the wood is structurally sound. I say, address the low or soft spot with some improvisation.

What can JC do for you at this point really? I would be afraid of JC introducing you to many new problems by taking your trailer apart and trying to put them back together without any mistakes.
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:01 AM   #12
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I have the same 28'CCD, and I'm familiar with every parts that make up that trailer.

I had a leak (freeze damaged water intake, dripping plastic (?!) regulator) above roadside wheel well. The water would accumulate above the plastic wheel well and be channeled to the middle of the trailer in between the subfloor and the vinyl sheet. This is below the shower pan to the corridor and to around the foot of the bed. One can check this by removing the black wall panel that is next to the shower and facing the rear. It's super easy to remove this largest panel; just unscrew 5 screws.

You can also easily unscrew the entire bed from the floor and from the wall to lift it off the floor. Same go for quarter-end closets.

I advise you to definitely unscrew the diamond plate sheet in the trunk, so you can peel off the vinyl sheet, so you can inspect if there's any water damage in the rear. You can even do this from outside without lifting the bed. (There are many threads about this 'bumper leak' issue.)

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