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Old 01-16-2011, 06:35 PM   #113
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Just buy an AVION that already HAS the bus frame and garages.

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HAHA, that is exactly what I did and I've been a "Happy Camper" ever since!

Eddie, your diagrams look like a B-52 bomber's fuel tanks, where you need a full time on-board flight engineer to keep transferring fuel around to keep the thing within CG limits. Very complex. You want to keep it more like a Stearman biplane where the fuel is either ON or OFF. I really think you should keep your fresh tanks center-to-ahead of the axles.

Your idea of the two 3x6 frames with the vertical pieces would work fine. What you're essentially building is a version of an I-beam, where the 3x6 horizontal pieces form the "Flanges" of the beam and the vertical portions create the "web". It will be very labor intensive to build, but if you've got the time, it'll make you a Titanic of a frame.

Personally, I think you might be getting a wee bit wild with your tank capacities. But, you should certainly have enough water with them

Seriously though, can you come up with a gallon figure that you want for fresh, gray, and black tanks. Give me a definite basement height that you want. Give me a definitive list of the steel you have available, and I think we can design you a frame.

This baby will be a monster. Heck, it will be beyond the MonStream that I wanted to build a few years ago. But, it's doable. Just need to nail down the specifics and get the balance right. Balance is everything. Get that right and we're good. Strength is no big deal. Balance is what will make or break this project. You have to keep it nose heavy. Tail heavy and you're sunk.

I take it you can weld good?
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:44 PM   #114
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Ahhh!! I just deleted a my post. lollol. I'll try this again.

Sorry If you started drawing with my bad measurements. I was told the 24' were 20' and I assumed the tanks were "nice whole numbers", like an idiot.

I like the idea of an on board engineer, but it will be me. lol, nah.. I just can't figure a way to keep EVERY thing above the wheels. I like the idea of the gray above the wheels, it's much easier to pull from two tanks than it is to drain into two tanks evenly.
This is why I like the bag idea, but they were too expensive and the thought of them "wearing out" wasn't good. I also came to the conclusion that they would be very hard to know they are clean and dry.

Although, I will be hauling fresh water a lot more often than gray. I'm also starting to think, it's more important to get the water there, than it is to get it out. I think a 60 gallon gray tank will do. I can only stay at walmart for three days, and I would use and evaporator in the desert, and everywhere else I can drain the shower on to the ground or into a drain.
I plan to have a valve that will divert the shower water away from the tank and out a gray only drain.

I'm also thinking of spraying the water. lol. In true "Uncle Eddie" fashion I would shoot a stream of water out the side and over the guard rail, or maybe on to the car riding my bumper. Actually the macerator could take care of that already, just turn up the hose and wire a switch in the car.

I will head to my friend's place tomorrow and get absolute measurements.


When I first thought of using the 3x6 on the top, I thought I would just lay it on the bottom rail and stitch weld in together. I just couldn't get what I wanted to fit in 12"-14". I still think the 3"x6"x6" chunk will be much easier then measuring and welding each 2x2 cross diagonal brace. I could pretty much lay this stuff of a level ground and start welding. I think the 2x2 would require an army of clamps. Yet again, what do I know, my welding experience ended after 2".

I wanted to learn how to drive a stick shift, so I bought a stick shift. Same thing, I want to know how to weld.
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:01 AM   #115
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:12 AM   #116
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ha,, you can kinda see rodger rabbit's head on that last picture. He's my guarantee that nobody will get knocked up and this project will be completed.

Seriously, I hear that story ten times a day. The guy that owned the Prevost, had to stop building and sell the bus. I mean, I'm a "loner" lol but I'm going to have to be sure to stay that way.... lol, and all so I can live at walmart.
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:27 PM   #117
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Anybody know how to edit that last post?
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Old 01-17-2011, 04:37 PM   #118
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I believe you have a set amount of time after posting to put edits in. After that, they are set in stone....

Perhaps you could just decode for us what you were trying to say for us and post again because a) I don't see a rabbit's head and b) since when did a rabbit keep anyone from getting knocked up?
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Old 01-17-2011, 06:10 PM   #119
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Never gonna attract the chickies with that lash-up.
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Old 01-17-2011, 06:45 PM   #120
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Lash up?
Officially stumped.


More pictures loaded after I posted the comment. You can see his head under the radio.
Rodger rabbit would push away a good percentage. Of course that group wouldn't be there if the first place.


I was just going to delete the whole post. oh well.
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lash-up - Definition of lash-up at YourDictionary.com

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Old 01-17-2011, 07:01 PM   #122
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Hey, thanks for posting your pictures. We have been asking for them and now you deliver. I am always interested to see where this thread is going...

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Old 01-18-2011, 02:27 AM   #123
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I should have taken pictures of the vent rerouted, i also finally got all of the new parts off the floor, I will take some full pictures.


The walls need another coat in spots, I quit painting when I decided to replace the floor. I was just going for the base coat, this stuff is very hard to get the sheen right, I need the right roller.



I have:
1………4”x6”x24’ 3/16 or Ό
1………3”x6”x24’ 1/4
4……… 3”x6”x24’ 3/16
1………3”x6”x12’4” 3/16
1………3”x5”x10’4” 3/16
1………3”x5”x8’ 3/16
1………3”x2”x93 3/16
4………3”x2”x97” 3/16
1………3”x2”x 76” 5/32
3………3”x2”x97” 5/32
4……….2”x4”x32.5” 5/32
1……….2”x4”x58” 5/32
1……….2”x4”x89” 5/32
2……….2”x4”x93 5/32
I’m guessing on the thickness of the metal, it seems right.
4………56”x9.5”x26.5” new tanks with no holes
1………60”x30”x18” new tank, holes in top left corner on the end side.
1………30”x60”x-9” with another 36”x48”x-9” section attached, forming a flat “L” ( holes and sensors on the 30”end side). I was planning on cutting the big tank in to two tanks. It's a very hard plastic, and it looks like you can cut and patch it. It has fiberglass resin type stuff on the inner seem of the "L".


I’m thinking of using the 26000 btu basement A/C or the two 15000 basement A/C. I’m trying to figure a way to fit it in with the radiators getting good air. I didn’t measure them, but I will look it up. I could put them where the penguins were going to be, and put a 36”x6 vent on both sides and a vent on the bottom. I could scrap that plan and move it to the front. I could give up the freezer, or if I moved the freezer a few inches and had a bigger couch, the A/C could be behind the tongue. I would have a gap between the motorcycle deck and the airstream. That should let the air out and keep the water away from the floor, unlike in the original rear bumper.
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I will also have the old frames worth of metal. I can trade out with the scrap yard 2 mins down the road.

I'm also hoping to get a pile of angle iron cheap.
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berrr.

Ahh!!! I think melted my electrical. I had a spaceheater running and now I have no power on that run. The real scary part is, no breakers are flipped and it's not melted at the plug.

My friend called this morning, he said he's buying new welder.
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I couldn't have picked a better time to find this video.

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