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Old 12-22-2010, 01:18 AM   #29
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I originally thought an Airstream loving engineer or two would see the post and have fun designing/critiquing it. I will send him a message, I just wanted this to be an on the side kind of thing. It's not just the money issue, the numbers and geometry is one thing, having everybody put there two cents in on what they would like to see is another. Then to have all of that intertwined and bouncing back and forth. That's how great things come to be.
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:07 AM   #30
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So, the guy I bought all of this from, sold the very "new" axles, we had agreed on, out from under me, for an extra $100. "But it's ok, you can take these used ones"... Anyways!?* I had to explain why they were not the same, even though the PO, "who had nothing to gain", said they were good.
After throwing some stuff on the pile, we were good.
Today, I went back so they could follow me to a friends house and unload all of the metal and axles. When I was at the shop I realized the axles had hydrolic brakes, with a cord coming out for electric. Another customer saw what was going on and took me around the shop and pointed to everything i needed. After all was said and done I walked out with:
two carlisle hydrolic brake "pumps?" used, but said to be good. they look pristine. one 1000 psi the other 1600 psi. the extra as a back up, hopefully eventually for sale.
all the piping and wire, no in cab brake controller..
one fan-tastic fan, that magically appeared
a philips rv fan, looks decent
two thermastats, I hope one could work on my Colman mach.
a wfco 3 stage converter
about 20 hydrogen light pucks
all of the truck jack/slide-in toolbox lighting, flush worklighting everywhere outside
more locking handles
an actuator motor
3'x7' lite diamond plate
4x6' rv tinted slide-to-open window. For my Mom's Italian ice trailer. She got hooked up this Christmas, long over due.
tongue lock
two 4x10' glossy black 1/8 aluminum sheets
big hinges
aluminum trim to build a big door.
and all sorts of other odds and ends
All for $360

I spotted a non-roof top ac today, I could sell off all the roof top stuff and have everything low..?

It might be the wrong topic for the forum, but are they any good? I've never looked at the pros and cons of the two types. I bet most AS owners haven't either.
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:09 PM   #31
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Let me know when you plan on getting this monstrosity on the road, so I can head in the other direction; it doesn't sound like you're willing to pay someone to do it right nor have the knowledge to make it functional and safe. Jury rigging WILL cause an accident.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:17 PM   #32
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As I read through this thread, I'm becoming increasingly slack jawed.
It's like a cross between Laurel & Hardy and Dr. Demento....
With everyone's two cents put in and no engineer we're going to have
a runaway train and a whole barrel of spare change spilled all over the track.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:31 PM   #33
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Let's just let this thread take it's course. We haven't had a good one since Cursh stopped posting. By-the-way, I hope he's alright.

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Old 12-22-2010, 07:48 PM   #34
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You are so right, please let this go on and on...
Reading this with my morning coffee gets my day going right!
Now back to Cursh.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:04 PM   #35
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I built a tear drop camper a few years back from scratch and all i had to do was get it weighed at the dump and take the weight slip to the county office to get a tag. It is listed under a home built. They didn't ask if it had brake lights, if a certified welder welded the frame, and they didn't even ask to see it. This is in FL, might be different else where. I have been towing it for two years and no problems from the trailer or law enforcement.
i sure hope that's the way it works.^I missed your post somehow. Thanks

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I'm pretty sure engineers work in teams all the time. A good company, would ask their costumers what they like about their products, and what they wish to change. It doesn't mean they listen. They take it all back to their team, consisting of more than just engineers, and throw it all out there. They bounce stuff around for awhile, maybe try to figure out why that one "lunatic" said what he/she said, then they get to the more detailed aspects. Then more research and on and on.

I bought what I did, when I did, with the thought of selling what i wouldn't end up using.

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Old 12-22-2010, 11:26 PM   #36
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OK, I'll bite.

I am NOT an engineer, but I do have a minor in structural engineering. I am not offering engineering advice. I will answer questions as best I can.

Let's start with my questions:

1. What do you need? This isn't about a trailer, but about what you need to store and transport. How much does it weigh, and how big is it? What are some of the largest L x W X H dimensions? Cn any of this stuff be replaced in some deal with something that is smaller or lighter?

2. When you have this list of stuff, work out a basic plan of needs in storing it? What requires to be outside (propane, etc) or is hazardous, corrosive, etc?

3. Now you have these lists, what is your idea of storage space/volume you really need?

My instinct is to ask you if you'd consider solving the storage problem in other ways. Could you make a custom truck body? If you can fit this stuff in a 5x6.5x4 volume, you can design a body for a 6.5" F250 or F350 or similar. This would be cheaper and more flexible than what you propose, and separates your work tools from your living space. You can then transport your tools to a job site without having to move home.

I look forward to your reply.
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nomader, all joking aside. Keep us posted on the progress and throw out a pix once in a while. You'll get more real feedback when show a pile of material.
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Old 12-23-2010, 09:31 AM   #38
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I plan to keep all of my tools in the slide-in truck job box.
I would like to move the following, below the floor:
A/C, electric heat, gas furnace, two gas water heaters, electric water heater with tank, tankless water heater- electric, water filter system, drinking water storage with water cooler, generator, an electrical closet, batteries, gas tank and propane tanks- under the front nose, slide out grill, possibly a small freezer and pantry, hose/cord storage, water bags, Bigger/auxiliary black water tank, storage for outdoor AS stuff. Scooter on front nose, and I would put all of the water lines "inside" the air duct.
If I did this it would free up room inside for a dishwasher, washer and dryer, convection microwave and daily stuff. I would also sell the oven and stove and put in a single unit. This would get the center of gravity lower, and I don't like it up there.
I also would like the generator behind the wheel well, in a sound proofed box and have the washer and dryer inside, in the rear. The only way I see to "keep everything happy", is the expanded frame.
Maybe a closet, just for computer stuff, the new basement access would allow easier upgrades in the future.
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:19 AM   #39
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Two gas water heaters, electric water heater and a tankless heater? What is your reason for needing four heaters? I see you also listed a dishwasher and washer.

I am guessing (please tell me if I am wrong) that you want every assurance of plentiful hot water no matter what, for the appliances. This is not practicable. The dishwasher and washer can both heat water, and modern washers do not even need warm water to work well. Also, a typical front load washer (I can't imagine you using a top loader) weights 250 lbs and vibrates a LOT - placing it far from the axles would be a bad idea. Then you need to carry the water to run these devices, which is HEAVY.

A single tankless gas/electric water heater could heat all the water you needed for a fraction of the cost and weight.

The water bags idea is interesting. It has been tried with bad results because the bags can move when part filled, wear, and leak quickly.

Are you willing to rethink these parts of your design, or are you wedded to the idea of four water heaters?
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:44 AM   #40
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IMO, you're wrapping a huge, very heavy ball and chain around your own neck. Less is more.

If we felt we needed all that "stuff" we'd just get a huge SOB motorhome or bus, save a lot of time, move on, start living, and just keep up the maintenance on the engine.
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Old 12-23-2010, 07:34 PM   #41
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I currently have a slide in camper. The thing I plan to build would be thinner, more aerodynamic, and stronger. It will have no windows, look a lot more pleasing to customers and will have better jacks
It will have a spot for the air compressor, and generator, ready to plug into the unit which would then have a cord and air hose reel feeding out the back of the "camper" from a hatch, and plugs through-out. I designed it to have a way for the miter saw and table saw to swing out and down, out the back door. All while still being able to carry 4' wide material with or with out the back doors open.

I really hope to get started with that next sat.^ A friends said we could use his dad's shop.. That same friend has a bus he want's to sell me for $5000. Him and his dad converted it years ago. I guess I will see it when I'm out there. It's not going to happen.

The tankless gas electric is worth looking into, I just have what I have and wanted cheap hot water no matter the circumstance. Being able to take a shower on a slow, low 20 amps is nice, so is endless gas. By the time one gas water heater is empty, one will have restored it's self. I have a tankless electric that comes with a 75 amp breaker. It will burn you at that and can be turned down to use less amps. I was planing to have them all come to the shower separately and switch between them with a standard shower control or two. I too, go to bonnaroo every year, and I'm one of the few lucky ones to get full pressure water hook-ups, because of this, I would like one or two exterior shower hook-ups.

I do live in mine, and laundry mats are a huge waste of money and time when you can't trust leaving your stuff there. I like the combo units, a front load could be hidden in the kitchen. That creates even more of a need of a, cool, pantry.

I can get water tanks very cheap, I could get a few of those for normal use and if I ever do get out to the desert or plan to be in one place a while without hook-ups, I will put the water bags in multi use storage areas and use all of the water before driving away. I may even add an additional bag to drive the water in with my truck and then transfer it to bag below the AS. That would even things out and give the tow vehicle more of a say on the road, and it would give me even more options for extended long term boondocking. extrenal tanks and generators look bad and it takes you longer to set up.

I had thought of different ways of holding bags, or a hard tank with a very stretchable water-proof material dividing it in the middle. I like the two separate bag idea more because of peace of mind and the option to remove it. I've seen some very heavy duty looking bags. Inflating one or the other could come into play for when moving, you would have to match the bags to the "holding "box"" size.

So how does the patent system work?..lol

I would have to have a very nice reliable motor-home to pull my truck and tools. Without changing professions, I need those. Keeping up with two large engines was out of the question.
Big external water tanks and generators look bad and can be stolen easily.
If I had the storage, I could leave the seldom used, without ample warning, tools behind, like my tile saw, paint sprayer, ect. At the same time i don't want to load and unload tools everyday, so I want it all to be able to fit on the truck comfortably, when I do need it.

Options on top of options.
Here's a new one. I could have the airstream, the new basement, and the last 1/4 of the frame, rise up off of a hidden flat bed or rail trailer. lol.

I don't know if I mentioned that I wanted be able to tow the slide in truck tool camper. Just lower it down, either pop wheels on a fixed axle, or have a "removable" axle or landing gear in it's basics of some sort. lol. The tongue would be made of tube and would bolt together easily, then slide into the main bottom rails of the camper, and bolt/pin lock.. It would be cool to have a trailer hitch ball on top of a rail going across the tailgate of my truck. The rail would secure into the corner pockets.With a lot more weight added to the design, i could tow it like a fifth wheel. (sort of)

ball and chain?? yes, maybe, but life is filled with those, this is a good one.
I will very much enjoy doing this. I add value to things all day, this is half hobbie/learning experience and half necessity/timing
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On the less is more front, I got a call today, I got the below deck ac/heater, cheap! I'm not sure on the rating, but it will at least replace the roof heat pump. Less on the roof, more lower center of gravity.
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