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Old 09-22-2006, 11:11 PM   #15
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Here are some answers to some of your questions. I hope they are not too late.
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thank you Malcolm, i know we are all the kind of folks that love giving out 2 cents, myself included, thanks for actually giving my the info i ask for, or at least as best as you knew. I have learned a lot from your threads in the past, thanks again.
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:31 PM   #16
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Ok folks, thanks for the help, the advice and the neighborly worries (i appreciate even them). This stuff comes up at a price that we can use so rarely that I just had to take the plunge and be the guinea pig. The folk at Boeing Surplus had not seen it hit their shelves for over two years, who knows when it would again. I do not know what made me go yesterday (not my regular day to go) but I am calling it aluminum fate and running with it.

Here is what I got, along with some links to the companies PDFs about the product (next post)
Basically it is 4'x8'x1" sheets, the outer facings are .02" 5251 H16 Al, internal honeycomb is 3003 Al small cell hexagonal.
The strength test I most noticed in my first round of reading is in picture 1 (understanding that this is not the only thing in play)
the second picture is some info i got from the companies current brochure, obviously written by someone that wants to sell you something, but fascinating none the less.
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:32 PM   #17
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were they there?

Curious if you found the honeycomb (and how much they are - I won't buy it, I promise!). I myself was going to go to the surplus store yesterday, but got sidetracked at a neat lumber yard in Seattle that sells "liteply." It's actally a type of poplar, simular to baltic beech in appearance (including the edges), but lighter (hence the name). No too expensive. The 1/8th (comes in 1/2" and 3/4" 4x8 sheets) can be used for bender board as well (in a very tight radius). I think I found what I'm going to use for cabinets/ countertops eventually. The lumbaryard is called Compton Lumber on 1st Ave S. (in SODO) just south of the west seattle bridge/freeway.

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oops - on edit, you found it! Still curious about the prices.
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:38 PM   #18
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It's actally a type of poplar, simular to baltic beech in appearance (including the edges), but lighter (hence the name). No too expensive. The 1/8th (comes in 1/2" and 3/4" 4x8 sheets) can be used for bender board as well (in a very tight radius). I think I found what I'm going to use for cabinets/ countertops eventually. Marc
ooo sounds like you found some fun stuff, even not being a big wood fan i love it when it is bent and shaped.

yes i got the honeycomb panels, i am posting the info right now. I went yesterday out of the blue and one guy thought he remembered walking past a skid of it in the yard, they asked a round and yep, they were putting it out the next day and i should come back. really lucky on my part, i have visited there tons of times over a few years and almost weekly for the last 6 months whenever I'm not on a trip.
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Old 09-23-2006, 12:12 AM   #19
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Cost and Weight Comparisons

I bought all 6 sheets they had for $182.50 a sheet.
They are in perfect shape and had never been unpacked or moved off their crate.
It will take just short of 4 sheets to compose my trailer sub floor that measures approximately 7'9" wide by 14'9" long.
Total estimated weight not including hardware or edging will be 129lbs with this stuff weighting in at 1.17 lbs/sqft
Cost for the floor panels ends up in this deal being $730 with a 8'x1ish' strip left over for whatever other use.

data I got from a short search on marine grade ply gave the weight and cost of the same floor in 3/4" as ranging from $350-600 in cost and 360-480lbs! This experiment is definitely worth it!!!
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Old 09-23-2006, 12:23 AM   #20
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Spec Links

The product I got was Hexlite 220 22.6mm (1.05in)

Hexlite 220 Product Data (in)

Hexlite 220 Product Data (mm)

Honeycomb Sandwich Design Technology

Hexlite Brand Selector Guide

Current Product Line PDF (Attributes and Properties)
pretty amazing data on lots of stress loads and the like
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Old 09-23-2006, 12:37 AM   #21
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interesting factoid...

using the 50lbs per cubic ft assumption of wood, for a sheet of ply to be about the same weight as this 1" honeycomb the wood would need to be between 1/4" and 5/16"
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I've been a woodworking hobbyist much longer than an alumihead. Glue in any sort of flat product is denser than wood, so density is usually greater with ply than solid of the same species. And of course OSB or chip board has much more glue and gets very heavy.

This sounds like an interesting project! Please keep us filled in.
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Congratulations! It sounds like great material.

Are you are going to use adhesives to put it down, instead of poking lots of screw holes through it.
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hmm no glue probably

I'm starting to think about using fasteners that show or are capped in some "airstream looking" way.

i fell asleep last night thinking about a nice bright Marmoleum floor decorated by clean oversized rivets! been looking around at hardware this afternoon, it might not be rivets i used, but something with a smooth domed head showing.

this is also could be part of a way to address the bi metal issue, it could be used to isolate the aluminum floor from steel connection hardware, i an working on a drafting that explains I'll post it soon
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i would like to find a way to really showcase or bring attention to the fact that my floor is different. I already think i will include some spot in the trailer that shows a cut away for folks to check out.
a few more thought around that theme make me ponder what connection hardware would be best as i mentioned in the last post.
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thanks Aerowood, great info, i was planning on asking the company that made mine what they recommended for full thickness connections, seems like you probably already answered that one!
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artist's perspective

I am not a mechanical expert and won't comment on that aspect of this interesting material, but when you mentioned you were thinking of ways to highlight the material so it showed in the finished floor, it gave me the idea of possibly cutting thin, say 1" strips of it, turning it on its side and laying the strip into the floor with the honeycomb exposed at regular intervals or in a pattern.

That presents a problem with it collecting dirt...so maybe you could fill the strips in with an epoxy, something clear or colored? Could be a very cool look.

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