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Old 03-16-2005, 06:03 PM   #1
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Going to the welder

Iím going to the welder in the next couple of days. Just wanted to get the infinite knowledge from the forum.

If you had the chance to update the frame, What would you do???

should I add support? Outriggers? ect..



thanks for your advice.
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Old 03-16-2005, 06:18 PM   #2
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I found it useful to plate over the front six feet of the frame. I did this with 12ga steel formed into a deep channel, 2" x 4" inside dimension. These were slipped over the front 6' of the existing frame and welded continuous along the bottom. Needed to replace the front outriggers to do this. Also replaced the hitch coupling.

I also opened up a spot forward of the axle to mount a 28 gal greywater tank.

Here's some pictures of the sleeves.
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Old 03-16-2005, 06:38 PM   #3
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I also opened up a spot forward of the axle to mount a 28 gal greywater tank.
markdoane, you added the gray tank to the forward axle? could you help me out with my question on this thread.

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Old 03-16-2005, 09:29 PM   #4
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markdoane, you added the gray tank to the forward axle? could you help me out with my question on this thread.
Here is a picture of the spot where the greywater tank was located. I made room for it by cutting out one crossmember, then adding two more with a 24.5" space, for a 24"x52.5"x8.5", 28 gallon tank from Accutank. http://www.accutanks.com/ronco_holding.htm
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Old 03-23-2005, 01:22 AM   #5
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Here is a picture of the spot where the greywater tank was located. I made room for it by cutting out one crossmember, then adding two more with a 24.5" space, for a 24"x52.5"x8.5", 28 gallon tank from Accutank. http://www.accutanks.com/ronco_holding.htm
Markdoane - That tank looks great, but If I place my tank there how do I get the pluming around the axel?

I guess Iíll re-frame this question. I havenít gone to the welder yet because I still donít feel comfortable on what to ask for. Iíd like add a graytank but donít know where to put it, or for that matter what I need to know to successfully complete this installation. Iíve trolled the forums and for some reason I canít get my head around what I need to do. I can produce whatever reference you need, Images, drawings, measurements, whatever.

here is a rough drawing of my frame - I can give mesurments if needed.


if theres someone in the dallas area that could help please let me know. I'll be forever in your dept.
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Old 03-23-2005, 06:24 AM   #6
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Iím going to the welder in the next couple of days. Just wanted to get the infinite knowledge from the forum.

If you had the chance to update the frame, What would you do???

should I add support? Outriggers? ect..


thanks for your advice.
My '75 Trade Wind has limited storage space outside. When I needed to remove the black tank I tool the opportunity to add an extra foot to the bumper. Now I at least have enough room for the Power cable and sewer hose. The belly pan had enough length to reattach without making a new one too. Also we put in a Marine power disconnect.


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Bobolo,

I'm not sure what you want me to do. The steps I followed were:

1. Layout where the sinks/shower are located. Figure out best way to route the drain lines from the sinks to the greytank. Make sure the lines pitch downward, and keep them inside cabinets or lockers where possible. Be sure to consider location of furnace, water heater, ductwork, electrical panels.

2. Pick a location under the floor where you can locate the greywater tank. Things to consider are:
a. Balance. Keep the tank as close to the axle as possible. Avoid the rear bumper.
b. Where to locate the outlet of the greytank. Usually streetside.
c. Where to locate tank inlets, to connect to sinks and shower drains.
d. Where to locate tank vents. These can co-locate with the sink drain lines.

3. Find a tank which most closely fits the underfloor space you have picked. In my case, the space was ahead of the axle. It doesn't look like you have room ahead of the axle to fit a useful size tank.

If I was looking for a space on your drawing, I would pick the area just behind the axle. I would cut out the crossmember just behind the rear of the wheelwell. If you move it forward a foot, you could put a 28 gal tank like mine just behind the axle.
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Old 03-23-2005, 08:28 PM   #8
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Bobolo,

I did see one source for a tank that might fit without your having to remove a cross-member. Take a look at tank 248H at the following site:

https://www.rvpartsoutlet.com/newsto...E832C666C974CD

Notice that it is 22" wide. Maybe that would help some with the decision process.

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Old 03-23-2005, 09:17 PM   #9
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The tank Malcolm shows might be just the ticket. It's very hard to tell the size of the space behind the axle. In your drawing it looks like about 15", but your earlier photo it looks like a full 24".

Are you planning to cut that spare tire bracket off the rear bumper?
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markdoane - the notes on what I need to keep in mind is really helping.

malconium - that tank looks like it'll do the trick. I'll make measurement tomorrow and post.

I guess with all the systems on my GT so far I've been able to rip it out, look at it, take notes, and recreate. With this graytank it's totally new, I've never even spent a night in an RV so I'm not always sure what I want or how to get there.

I guess i have a couple more questions.

1. how do the Black and Gray tanks coexist with each-other. do they need to have some sort of relationship, or are they totally separate entities?

2. should I consider moving the freshwater/holding tank from the front above the sub-floor to under? what are the ramifications?

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A few thoughts:

The black and grey tank do not need to have a relationship, but often they do. Usually the blackwater tank and greywater tank are wye'd together so that both can be dumped from a single dump hose connection. The black tank is dumped first, then the grey tank, so that the greywater flushes the solids out of the dumphose.

I would not move the freshwater tank below the floor. You want the pump, filters, connections and tubing to be above the floor for good access. Most pumps are gravity fed from the tank, so mounting the tank below the pump is not recommended. It can work, just isn't recommended. Also, keep the supply tank and plumbing above the floor to keep them from freezing.

That's a good point for the greywater tank, too. You should either insulate it, provide a heating pad, or circulate warm air around the greywater tank. I made a fiberglaqs cover for mine with 3/4" isocyanate insulation.
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Old 03-24-2005, 12:18 PM   #12
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Tank Placement

In the process of renovating my 25'. Are some people placing the black, grey and fresh water tanks above the sub-floor? Due to my climate there is great concern about freezing and the current placement of the water tanks in the frame while logical for space use is unnerving in winter time.
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In the process of renovating my 25'. Are some people placing the black, grey and fresh water tanks above the sub-floor? Due to my climate there is great concern about freezing and the current placement of the water tanks in the frame while logical for space use is unnerving in winter time.
camping in an airstream in the winter time is even more unnerving!

different years/different models had the tanks in various places. in yours, the fresh tank is open to the living area via the cutout under the galley. plus, I think the compartment is insulated with a layer of foam. in the years where grey/black tanks were under the floor, they had the furnace ducted to the areas to keep them from freezing. but in any case, I don't think they ever really intended these things to be "freeze-proof", or useable in any temperature extreme...just enough to get you through some chilly, just barely sub-freezing mornings in late fall or early spring.

don: in the 70's models, there is a cut-out area under the galley through which all the plumbing is accessible...low point drains, and tank connections. but the pump sits at floor level.

my question: how do you mount a tank like the one mentioned earlier...with the "flange-like" top? angle iron bolted to the x-members? wondering how you access both sides of the bolts to install/remove? and what to do about covering it, especially if it hangs down below the frame a bit?
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Old 03-26-2005, 11:48 PM   #14
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I've been out sick for a couple of days, hereís my progress.

Question: the open area of the frame for the tank is 54" * 24.25" what size tank should I be looking for?

Markdoane - would the tank you have fit in this area?

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