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Old 10-26-2010, 12:58 PM   #113
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No. I see no problems with my unit.

If you don't have any frame failure problem, then:
1. you have not put many miles on it, or
2. The factory fixed the problem and you have a good properly engineered frame.

I wish you well and happy traveling.
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Old 10-26-2010, 06:05 PM   #114
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News flash!!!! I got cracks. After more carefull examination i see small cracks at the outriggers at the rear most wheel . I see no stiffeners welded in. I can see small cracks on 3 outriggers on the curbside. I dont understand why the cracks run horizontal though. I will be talking to Airstream shortly.
I smell class action law suit.
I do have a signed letter from airstream that there are no recalls on my model of airstream. Obviously they are keeping this hush hush.
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Old 10-26-2010, 07:24 PM   #115
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I think i may know why there are horizontal cracks. The outriggers are causing undo strain on the frame. The top of the outrigger where its welded to the top of the frame is acting like a hinge . The outrigger is flexing downward causing the bottom of the outrigger to flex the frame inward. The frame wont flex inward so the bottom of the outrigger is cracking the frame. All the cracks are at the bottom of the outrigger and the cracks are horizontal. That makes sence at least in my head.
Frankly, im not worried about it right now. Easily fixable.
If i did not have my own shop though things would be very different.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:43 AM   #116
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Cracks!!!!

Zedex, sorry to hear about your cracks. Even if you fix it yourself I hope you will take before and after pictures and stand with the rest of us on this, where ever it goes. Thanks, Jim
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:51 AM   #117
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Absolutely. I think its pathetic that airstream, known for quality. Puts a trailer on the market with such poor quality control. Really. No quality control.. All the osb flooring is exposed under my airstream FFS. They didnt even bother to spray the osb. Truly pathetic.
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:48 PM   #118
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I am really sorry to hear more and more people reporting frame problems with their 22' Internationals. It's a terrible knot in the gut, thinking the trailer you spent so much money on (and are still paying for) may become lawn furniture long before its time.

My 22' was a later model than most having problems, and a significant contributor to my frame issues were the tow system my Airstream dealer set up for me with too heavy WD bars for my 1 ton truck and wimpy framed trailer. My hope was that, after the frame was repaired, not running any WD bars whatsoever would be gentle enough on my frame that it would hold up. Still, I never knew... Then there was also the fact that, even though my 1 ton truck never even noticed the 5000# trailer attached to it, if I ever had to execute a radical maneuver while towing, the lack of WD bars could allow the trailer to take control of things, resulting in a not so desirable outcome...

My frame issue was resolved on by an act of God, a freak hailstorm in Colorado on 4 July. Golfball size hail can certainly do a number to thin aluminum. While not as bad as the pictures of some of the hail damaged Airstreams on this forum, the damage was enough to total my trailer. When the insurance company asked if I wanted to buy back the trailer on salvage it didn't take much thought for me to answer "No thank you."

I was relieved when they came and towed away the trailer that had certainly brought me enjoyment but with it a lot of worry and disappointment.The timing couldn't have been better as I had been living in the trailer full time until only a month before the hailstorm. Like I said, an act of God..

I still like the look and image of Airstream trailers, though I don't think I will buy another one, certainly not a new or late model. They are just too expensive and, at least in my experience, not built well enough to justify that expense.

Sorry to go off topic; I guess technically this would be considered a highjack. However, I figure since I have previously contributed on this thread with my own "frame failure" issues, it is fair for me to post how my frame issue was resolved.

Again, I am sorry to hear of those with catastrophic frame failures and even more disappointed that Airstream does not appear to be standing behind what certainly seems to be a systemic problem resulting from a poor design. Best to you all and God bless. jk

The attorney route does sound interesting exept they cost a whole lot, and Airstream will fight it I expect.
In all fairness however, Airstream will supply their various patch kits free but we will have to pay to have them installed. The frame stiffener kit probably can be installed for a few hundred dollars but the outriggers kit could run into the thousands to install.
Also initially Airstream did do a lot of free work on my RV as I was the first to bring the problem to their attention. Sadly tho, nothing they did fixed the problem. I was just their ''field test guy''.
The bottom line here is Airstream would rather take an image hit than a big financial one by replacing all the defective frames. It's a business decision.
One more point. All of us out there with the defective frames....the resale value of our rigs is near zero. The reason is obvious.
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:29 AM   #119
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Frame "fix"!!!

I returned my AS to the RV dealer where I bought it, with all the patch kits and they are repairing it at no cost, they say. I'm wondering how the welds will be made without burning the floor. The floor is badly warped, so I'm waiting to see what they will do there. The WA.State Attorney General advised me to go ahead and allow the repairs, then they could file a complaint if the repairs were not satisfactory. I do not plan to let this rest.
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Old 10-29-2010, 07:19 AM   #120
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I returned my AS to the RV dealer where I bought it, with all the patch kits and they are repairing it at no cost, they say. I'm wondering how the welds will be made without burning the floor. The floor is badly warped, so I'm waiting to see what they will do there. The WA.State Attorney General advised me to go ahead and allow the repairs, then they could file a complaint if the repairs were not satisfactory. I do not plan to let this rest.

I sincerly hope your patch fixes work out better than mine did. The dealer here in Tx botched that job pretty bad on my rig. The guy who did the welding clearly did not know how to weld. The only right fix for our rigs is to have a new frame put on, a redesigned proper one. You can put all the patches you want on that frame and you still have a poorly designed frame.

Good luck.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:18 PM   #121
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Well I got word today that the RV dealer where I purchased my AS was told by their welder " I won't attempt it". The next guy says he wants $3000.00 to repair it and the dealer has offered to split the cost. They also offered to take it back and let us choose SOB. We haven't made a firm decision yet. The story continues!!!!!!!!!!!!! Airstray
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:45 AM   #122
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I think I told you a while back that the factory will not ''make it right''. A few unhappy customers is better than the cost of replacing the defective frames with the new stronger ones they use now. A business decision. I think the factory will give you the patch kits for free but will not pay to install them. Trade yours in, or patch up what you have...? If the factory offered me a trade I would trade this for a 19' CCD. Fat chance.
We just bought a ''lemon'' that's all.
I love this rv from the floor up, hate it from the floor down.
Oh, one piece of advice. The welding of my replacement outriggers was done by a dealer and was a disaster. Make sure your welder is trained, schooled and certified. And be there while the work is being done.
Good luck my friend.
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Old 11-11-2010, 09:04 AM   #123
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How many does it take for a class action? How many other trailers are out there with frame cracks. Toyota bought back all the pickups with a frame problem at some % over book. Would seem a good idea for Airstream.
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:33 AM   #124
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In my opinion this is more than disasified customers... this is a safety issue too.
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Wow! That is really dissapiointing! I have been through the frame on my 1965 and for 45 years of wear, she still looks pretty good. Good luck
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From time to time the suggestions of a "class action" has come up regarding this issue. I'm curious, has anyone yet talked to a lawyer about this? If so, what response did you get? Just wondering.....
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