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Old 09-27-2010, 11:16 PM   #71
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Andy, I have the same problem as Don. Sagging outriggers and cracked frame. I just purchased my '03 22ft. International CCd and pulled it to Utah and back. My TV is a Ram 3500 Diesel but I didn't have any sway problems pulling it without a WD hitch. I took a reese twin cam hitch with me but didn't need it. What recourse do we, ('03-'07, 22ft.) Airstream owners have? Airstray
You asked.

You have a very good tow vehicle for the Queen Mary, not for an Airstream.

Your truck is not magic and towing with just a ball, is extremely hazardous.

You should check with your insurance company to confirm that you have tons of liability insurance.

The RV industry says used a load equalizing hitch and hopefully with a sway control.

You have neither.

A good attorney repesenting someone that you may have hurt because you lost control, will smile all the way to the bank for him and his client.

You would have absolutely "ZERO" defense.

This is not to frighten you in any way, but telling you "like it is".

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Old 09-28-2010, 08:54 AM   #72
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Why do I never see a boat trailer with sway control?

I have to ask, I really do not have an answer for this question.
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Old 10-13-2010, 09:16 PM   #73
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I just discovered cracked welds with sagging outriggers and am trying figure out how to lift the shell back into position beore I beef up the outriggers.

Is this possible, if so, how?

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Old 10-13-2010, 10:13 PM   #74
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We've seen some overkill truck/boat combos that were swaying so bad, we pulled over, lest we see the carnage up ahead.
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Old 10-14-2010, 08:20 AM   #75
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I just discovered cracked welds with sagging outriggers and am trying figure out how to lift the shell back into position beore I beef up the outriggers.

Is this possible, if so, how?

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I have bad news for Carl.
If you check your frame, just behind the rear axle, you will find that they are cracked and sagging. that puts added strain on the outriggers. The good news is the factory has new larger outriggers and reinforcement bars for the frame. they should give them to you free. you are in for a lot of work my friend. good luck.

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Old 10-17-2010, 11:06 PM   #76
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We're considering a 2004 22'' International CCD that has never been used and has been stored inside since new. It has been towed a couple of times, maybe 200 miles total. It's has the desk in the back.

In light of what I've read here, is this a trailer we should pass on? It seems well priced so spending a bit on preventive frame stiffening doesn't worry me too much, but I don't really know.

Will Airstream provide a fix? Is stiffening the frame something that should be done anyway?

I like the trailer and the layout, but sure don't want to end up with junk a few thousand miles later.
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:31 AM   #77
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A couple observances. Dons 2003 ccd has disk brakes where my 2004 has drum. Airstream must have replaced Dons drums with disk axles.

Also. i notice in some pictures that the frame is welded vertically. This is bad news. You never weld a frame vertically. You always weld a frame along its length and not across its tube section. This vertical weld weakens the frame and if its going to crack it will be at the weld.
I will have a look at my 2004 tomorrow as i just imported it into Canada from the USA. I also have a letter of recall from Airstream and the letter states there are no recalls for this model.I have a trailer inspection this week and we will see how it goes. If i see any frame damage the **** will hit the fan believe me.
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:41 AM   #78
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We're considering a 2004 22'' International CCD that has never been used and has been stored inside since new. It has been towed a couple of times, maybe 200 miles total. It's has the desk in the back.

In light of what I've read here, is this a trailer we should pass on? It seems well priced so spending a bit on preventive frame stiffening doesn't worry me too much, but I don't really know.

Will Airstream provide a fix? Is stiffening the frame something that should be done anyway?

I like the trailer and the layout, but sure don't want to end up with junk a few thousand miles later.
You may be lucky if it hasn't been used but that's no assurance it won't happen down the road. We also like the layout and trailer. Unfortunately my frame is "weak" and I have a mess and no way out. I find it odd that my '66 Overlander, which is almost 40 years older, is still strong and it sat in a field for 10 years. Good luck, Jim
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:51 AM   #79
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You may be lucky if it hasn't been used but that's no assurance it won't happen down the road. We also like the layout and trailer. Unfortunately my frame is "weak" and I have a mess and no way out. I find it odd that my '66 Overlander, which is almost 40 years older, is still strong and it sat in a field for 10 years. Good luck, Jim

Be careful my friend. That is the same model I have and it has been a disaster for me. If the price is right, and you don't tow it, buy it.
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A couple observances. Dons 2003 ccd has disk brakes where my 2004 has drum. Airstream must have replaced Dons drums with disk axles.

Also. i notice in some pictures that the frame is welded vertically. This is bad news. You never weld a frame vertically. You always weld a frame along its length and not across its tube section. This vertical weld weakens the frame and if its going to crack it will be at the weld.
I will have a look at my 2004 tomorrow as i just imported it into Canada from the USA. I also have a letter of recall from Airstream and the letter states there are no recalls for this model.I have a trailer inspection this week and we will see how it goes. If i see any frame damage the **** will hit the fan believe me.
Get under it and drop the pan. you will have to pop all of the rivets and remove some fiberglass insulation. check the frame just behind the rear axle. the first sign of failure will be on the door side. also you might take a tape and measure the distance from the rear bumper, right and left side, to ground. If one side is differant than the other, you may have a bent or cracked frame. You will sooner or latter.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:30 PM   #81
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We're considering a 2004 22'' International CCD that has never been used and has been stored inside since new. It has been towed a couple of times, maybe 200 miles total. It's has the desk in the back.

In light of what I've read here, is this a trailer we should pass on? It seems well priced so spending a bit on preventive frame stiffening doesn't worry me too much, but I don't really know.

Will Airstream provide a fix? Is stiffening the frame something that should be done anyway?

I like the trailer and the layout, but sure don't want to end up with junk a few thousand miles later.
I have an '02 22' International A/S - a different model than the CCD but the same frame. We have no belly pan so I can see the frame easily. So far not problem. I did buy at a good price, but later had floor rot that cost over $4K to repair and replace. Still - we are very happy to have this trailer. I do not know how different the weight distribution is on the A/S versus the CCD version that might affect frame performance

However, I now am very careful of the frame. I inspect when I can. I keep the holding tanks empty always when moving. I try to never load up the rear end in any way. I always put down my support jacks in the rear when parked, etc., etc.

Bottom line: Depending on how good your deal is, I would take it. You could ask someone how much frame repair will cost, when and if you need, then factor that in on the price you pay.

Nevertheless, do inspect carefully. Frame and floor integrity around the edges are especially important. Make sure yours has the frame stiffener done by the recall they had several years ago.
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Old 10-18-2010, 04:13 PM   #82
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Talked to Jim at Airstream and he said that though frame stiffeners weren't covered under warranty since this is a 2004, it's something to be aware of but not to be concerned with now since it hasn't been used. They do have the stiffeners if needed later. The weights and axels are different on the 2004 from the 2003. Don't know if that makes some difference ... maybe? A certified repair shop in Oklahoma City said they have never seen that frame issue unless the trailer had been overloaded or jacked up for service at the wrong point on the frame.

Thanks for the advice and please don't hold back any other experience you've had.
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Old 10-18-2010, 05:18 PM   #83
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I've been following the threads regarding frame issues with 22' Internationals for some time, and monitoring my frame regularly. About 10 days before leaving for our summer trip to Wyoming and Montana I discovered cracks in the frame behind the axles both curbside and streetside... YIKES! I communicated with Airstream customer service by email and by phone, referencing service bulletin #131. They agreed to send the frame stiffening kit at no cost, and I had a local welder install/weld the kit, taking about two hours to complete. The total cost was under $200. The welder also fixed a small crack in one out rigger just in front of the curbside wheel well.
We traveled about 3,600 miles on our trip to WY and MT, mostly on pavement but a short distance on gravel/washboard. So far, the fix has held, and I see no new evidence of cracking of either the frame or outriggers. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, and considering reinforcing the outriggers as a preventive measure. I'll keep everyone posted.
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A couple observances. Dons 2003 ccd has disk brakes where my 2004 has drum. Airstream must have replaced Dons drums with disk axles.

Also. i notice in some pictures that the frame is welded vertically. This is bad news. You never weld a frame vertically. You always weld a frame along its length and not across its tube section. This vertical weld weakens the frame and if its going to crack it will be at the weld.
I will have a look at my 2004 tomorrow as i just imported it into Canada from the USA. I also have a letter of recall from Airstream and the letter states there are no recalls for this model.I have a trailer inspection this week and we will see how it goes. If i see any frame damage the **** will hit the fan believe me.
I'm not sure which welds you are talking about but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. How can you weld an outrigger to the main frame without using a vertical weld? The frame cracks on my '03 are horizonal, below the outriggers where the frame is pushed in by the outriggers until the curbside frame cracked. Jim
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