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Old 04-20-2016, 06:50 AM   #365
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I had the pleasure of meeting Don when he stopped by with his trailer a while back . Airstream had already "fixed" it with a new upgraded frame , and it too was failing at the time . We exchanged horror stories about Airstreams lack of engineering skills among other things. Gave him a new rear bumper for his trailer as the one off of mine did not fit into the equation of the inverted truss that I had built into mine to save it from the junk yard . Did ya ever get it switched out Don ?


Our 2005 22 ft had the wet noodle frame when we bought it , but after a couple of months fabricating and welding back in 2012 it's now 150% better than new and has been at least 40,000 miles since then and even with the addition of a rear mounted aluminum box with a 4000 watt Champion permanently attached inside , and a trailer hitch for towing a small two wheel trailer behind , the frame is rock solid still , unlike the day that Airstream completed building it new .
I thank you for that rear bumper Danny. It worked out just fine. So far so good on my frame. However it is a peace of crap with all the welded patches on it. If I were to sell it and disclose the history I doubt if I could find a buyer. I WOULD NOT BUY IT!
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Old 04-20-2016, 04:18 PM   #366
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I thank you for that rear bumper Danny. It worked out just fine. So far so good on my frame. However it is a peace of crap with all the welded patches on it. If I were to sell it and disclose the history I doubt if I could find a buyer. I WOULD NOT BUY IT!
Darn it Don, I often wish I had another 22 CCD. It's a pity your frame was so crappy... apparently the later ones were a little better... the ones that were repaired seem to have held up since the initial failure. What just makes my blood boil is that they replaced the frame at the factory.... why would they even THINK to do work of that magnitude and not make sure the replacement frame was as strong as possible.

I'm trying to imagine how they even did the work. Did they actually do a full frame off? Take out all of the furniture, pull the vinyl floor, disconnect the inner and outer skins from the floor and walk a new frame and floor under the shell? At factory rates that must have cost about what the build cost on a 22 footer would have been. And while your unit might have been a "flukey" frame - the minute they saw the second or third broken frame they should have stopped building 22's until they got a beefier frame.

I'm looking into NTAC as a possible winter home - and I've got an Eddie Bauer 25, but when we meet I'll show you the 10 meter Avion I also have and let you see that frame - three rails - 8 inches deep!

I'm sure it's too late for any kind of legal action, but darn, it sucks that they didn't at least offer you something - like another "frame, floor and axles" kit.
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:44 AM   #367
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Darn it Don, I often wish I had another 22 CCD. It's a pity your frame was so crappy... apparently the later ones were a little better... the ones that were repaired seem to have held up since the initial failure. What just makes my blood boil is that they replaced the frame at the factory.... why would they even THINK to do work of that magnitude and not make sure the replacement frame was as strong as possible.

I'm trying to imagine how they even did the work. Did they actually do a full frame off? Take out all of the furniture, pull the vinyl floor, disconnect the inner and outer skins from the floor and walk a new frame and floor under the shell? At factory rates that must have cost about what the build cost on a 22 footer would have been. And while your unit might have been a "flukey" frame - the minute they saw the second or third broken frame they should have stopped building 22's until they got a beefier frame.

I'm looking into NTAC as a possible winter home - and I've got an Eddie Bauer 25, but when we meet I'll show you the 10 meter Avion I also have and let you see that frame - three rails - 8 inches deep!

I'm sure it's too late for any kind of legal action, but darn, it sucks that they didn't at least offer you something - like another "frame, floor and axles" kit.
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:31 PM   #368
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Don...so I take it that I should not go buy a used 2005 Airstream 22CCD? I'm currently looking at one at an RV seller with limited miles. They said the only item so far was a leak in the roof near the AC which they replaced the pan. Not sure what that means, but should I stay away based on this long thread?
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:20 AM   #369
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Don...so I take it that I should not go buy a used 2005 Airstream 22CCD? I'm currently looking at one at an RV seller with limited miles. They said the only item so far was a leak in the roof near the AC which they replaced the pan. Not sure what that means, but should I stay away based on this long thread?
I had around 8,000 miles on mine before the frame broke.
By 2005 they may have solved the problem. You are taking a chance.
Before you buy it find out if it has the new larger outriggers and the additional frame braces welded on behind the rear axle.
If it were me----- I would not buy it.
Keep in mind that with the frame problems I have had the resale value is about ZERO.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:32 AM   #370
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Hi,

I have a 2003 and it was reinforced (via recall) back in 2010. No problems at all and have had it inspected at least twice since then by Airstream. Have put about 20k miles on mine.

My advice would be to have a thorough inspection.

The other issue is the rear bumper leak. Check the rear floor carefully.

Good luck.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:08 AM   #371
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Don...so I take it that I should not go buy a used 2005 Airstream 22CCD? I'm currently looking at one at an RV seller with limited miles. They said the only item so far was a leak in the roof near the AC which they replaced the pan. Not sure what that means, but should I stay away based on this long thread?
I said I would not buy it.
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:09 AM   #372
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are there any other models/length/years affected?

Hi folks.

My sympathies to all of you with the 22' frame problems. I have been an Airstreamer for may years but had never heard of this problem.

Now looking at buying another a/s trailer but a 2003 to 2007 Classic 31 model. Has anyone heard of frame or wall structural problems for these??
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:37 AM   #373
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Hi folks.

My sympathies to all of you with the 22' frame problems. I have been an Airstreamer for may years but had never heard of this problem.

Now looking at buying another a/s trailer but a 2003 to 2007 Classic 31 model. Has anyone heard of frame or wall structural problems for these??
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I believe the frame and outrigger failures are confined to the early models of the 22' International series trailers. Furthermore a failure may not show up until thousands of miles are driven, and a failure may render the trailer UNTOWABLE.
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Old 03-13-2017, 05:22 AM   #374
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I did not know there are 13 of us suckers. With the degree of damage you have a totally new frame is your best bet. Second option is remove the body and rebuild your frame. Third option is '' hope '' you get in a wreck and the trailer is totaled [and nobody gets hurt] and your insurance will pay off. Right now your insurance will not cover factory defects. Right now your RV is untowable and unuseable. And the factory will not help you, it is out of waranty. Good luck.
Make that 14. Or more so far. My 2002 CCD model (not the AS model) has the ear desk. No apparent main frame problems but curbside outriggers have sagged. They torqued the main frame and deflected the wall of the main frame channel. i'm having a welder develop a steel plate reinforcement and going to apply it to all of the outriggers. And install the Service Bulletin 131 anyway. The thin metal used for the frame, combined with poor coating and previous Owners neglect and floor rot has really left me with a lot of work. We pulled all the interior and am in process of pulling the entire floor to fix the frame and then install new floor. It seems to me that the pressure being exerted on the step has exacerbated the outrigger failure. I have also noted that the outriggers don't seem to extend all the way to the outside edge of the perimeter channel. One of them is barely hanging on. And the channel does not appear to go on top of the one on the rear side of the door.
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So it looks like this thread died a couple years ago but Iím glad I found it. Iím considering making a couple hundred mile drive to look at a Ď02 22í ccd but now Iím not sure I want to. Part of me thinks that if itís still on the road it either somehow managed to A. not be part of the bad batchís of frames. B. Had the factory repairs made. Or C. Has been bandaged and stitched back together throughout the years. Or I guess D. Itís damaged and is a ticking time bomb. Hopefully if and when I check it out it will be obvious when I crawl underneath to see which of the 4 scenarios Iíll find.
If anyone is still monitoring this thread I kept reading the correct tow vehicle and it seemed like it was said that too big or too much power was a bad thing. Could someone explain that? Also this one has a WD hitch included. Should I not use it? Btw my TV would be a Ď11 grand Cherokee with the v8 hemi. Supposedly rated at 7000-7500 I think.
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So it looks like this thread died a couple years ago but Iím glad I found it. Iím considering making a couple hundred mile drive to look at a Ď02 22í ccd but now Iím not sure I want to. Part of me thinks that if itís still on the road it either somehow managed to A. not be part of the bad batchís of frames. B. Had the factory repairs made. Or C. Has been bandaged and stitched back together throughout the years. Or I guess D. Itís damaged and is a ticking time bomb. Hopefully if and when I check it out it will be obvious when I crawl underneath to see which of the 4 scenarios Iíll find.
If anyone is still monitoring this thread I kept reading the correct tow vehicle and it seemed like it was said that too big or too much power was a bad thing. Could someone explain that? Also this one has a WD hitch included. Should I not use it? Btw my TV would be a Ď11 grand Cherokee with the v8 hemi. Supposedly rated at 7000-7500 I think.
Why would you consider buying a known defective RV? I would not recommend buying any '02 22' ccd. I would not have bought mine if I knew what I know now.
Your Cherokee will tow just fine, I tow with a Toyota Highlander.
Good luck ... you may need it.
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Why would you consider buying a known defective RV? I would not recommend buying any '02 22' ccd. I would not have bought mine if I knew what I know now.

Your Cherokee will tow just fine, I tow with a Toyota Highlander.

Good luck ... you may need it.


Yeah we backed out. Instead Iím going with a 16í CCD DWR. Better size for us and more manageable.
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