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Old 01-20-2013, 03:01 PM   #337
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I live at the North Texas Airstream Community. It is an all AS community and you must own an AS to live here.

So discrimination is polity correct still in Texas
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:29 PM   #338
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This one shows the R Front axle mount --truss attachment area where the
4x4 3/16 square tube with the 2x2 1/4 inch tubing running through it is suspended below the axles with a u-bolt on the outside .
The axles act as very nice cross members for the truss and with part of the
weight of the trailer being applied to the axle tubing further out from the main frame the axles themselves will have gained strength from having less leverage at the fulcrum point.
after a trip out to fort Davis and Big Bend with the little fellow rolling on
P 235/75R15 cooper tires from Discount and with no load equalizer hitch , only the sway bar , the report is in and it has passed with flying colors !
No sag , No sway , pulled perfectly despite a crosswind from the depths of Hell ! ---- Full fresh water tank and all our STUFF loaded, two spare tires for the Dodge, Airstream and little one wheel generator trailer, and full load of diesel. "over 1500 mile round trip with zero fuel stops"
Next trial run is up through Alberta, British Columbia , The Klondike gold fields of the Yukon, then up through Alaska. and back.
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:50 AM   #339
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Good report Danny. Looks like you found one way to solve the problem. I wish the AS factory had your skills. For what it is worth I think you should use the load equalizers however.
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:47 PM   #340
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Good report Danny. Looks like you found one way to solve the problem. I wish the AS factory had your skills. For what it is worth I think you should use the load equalizers however.
Howdy Don,
have ya got that bumper on yet ? Have given much thought about the equalizer hitch and having pulled the bigger 66 AS with and without with much lighter vehicles "the 71 International travelall HAD to use one at all times. While my old 64 F-100 with load range E tires handled it flawlessly without." Pulling the AS back home from Wisconsin with the equalizer hitch without the bars in place with the Dodge Cummins it towed perfectly even with the Ball being farther from the rear axle than it is now with a normal hitch stabbed in the receiver .
The trailer weighed 4000 lbs on the axles before I beefed up the frame and axles . I added about 400 lbs of steel to the equation 90 % added to the trailer axles. The truck weighs 6100 pounds with most of that weight on the steering axle due to the heavy Cummins Diesel engine and cast iron 5 spd transmission . I added a 12000 pound capacity winch and mounting frame forward of the front bumper which added even more weight to the steering axle.
The distance from the trailer ball to the center of the rear axle is 51.5 inches . the distance between the rear and front axles center line is 141 inches . There are 52 inches from the center of the front axle to the front of the winch and mounting plate and frame.
Add the 6 to 7 hundred pound hitch weight to the rear of the Dodge and with the fulcrum at 51.5 inches with 141 inches to the front axle my feeble mind kinda figures that is putting all of the 6-7 hundred pounds on the drive axle plus taking roughly another 6-7 hundred pounds of weight off the steering axle and putting that weight onto the drive axle. 1400 pounds on the drive axle extra with the trailer hooked up .
The drive axle is rated 6000 pounds and the steering axle is rated 4630.
The little 22 foot Safari tows beautifully behind the Dodge at highway speeds without the weight distributing hitch using the sway bar. With no chance of overloading the trailer tongue or axles with the load equalizer hitch . If I were trying to pull the trailer with an suv or half ton pickup with P rated tires then that would be another story. the Dodge would pull a much bigger trailer with ease , but I like the little trailer back there, and feel safer than safe with it trailing behind us.
REGARDS !
Danny , Rachael and Fred
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:54 PM   #341
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after a trip out to fort Davis and Big Bend with the little fellow rolling on
P 235/75R15 cooper tires from Discount and with no load equalizer hitch , only the sway bar , the report is in and it has passed with flying colors !
No sag , No sway , pulled perfectly despite a crosswind from the depths of Hell ! ---- Full fresh water tank and all our STUFF loaded, two spare tires for the Dodge, Airstream and little one wheel generator trailer, and full load of diesel. "over 1500 mile round trip with zero fuel stops"
Next trial run is up through Alberta, British Columbia , The Klondike gold fields of the Yukon, then up through Alaska. and back.
OK , we are now in Alaska , having put another 5000 miles on the trailer over
some very rough frost heaved , and gravel and dirt roads through Brirish Columbia and the Yukon , can report the frame has performed flawlessly and the 60 dollar each P 235/75R15 Cooper tires from Discount still look brand new and no flats at all !!!!
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Old 07-04-2013, 02:09 PM   #342
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OK , we are now in Alaska , having put another 5000 miles on the trailer over
some very rough frost heaved , and gravel and dirt roads through Brirish Columbia and the Yukon , can report the frame has performed flawlessly and the 60 dollar each P 235/75R15 Cooper tires from Discount still look brand new and no flats at all !!!!
GOOD SHOW!! Enjoy yourself and have a trouble free trip.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:30 PM   #343
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Early frame failures are usually due to grossly out of balance running gear, or, towing with a super heavy duty tow vehicle and an excessively rated hitch bars, or a combination of those.

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Hi Andy. I know you keep track of things here on the forum so I hope you see this post. I have a 62 FC that went around the world with the 63/64 caravan. The trailer carried a bumper mounted spare and I believe that the extra weight has caused the frame to sag.
My thoughts for fixing the problem is to box the frame. Is this a good idea and will it work?
Thanks for your help, Wally H.
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Old 03-29-2015, 12:13 PM   #344
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OK, so just to clarify, I've looked through this whole thread and it appears I might be ok with my 2005 Safari 22'?
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This is a lot to read does it apply to all 22' 2002
Internationals or just CCD model the trailer I am curious about is a rear kitchen model.
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Old 03-30-2015, 08:53 AM   #346
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This is a lot to read does it apply to all 22' 2002
Internationals or just CCD model the trailer I am curious about is a rear kitchen model.
The frame problem is a design problem and applies to all 22' Int made in that year. The frame has since been beefed up. A failure will depend on how many miles you put on it and driving conditions.
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Old 03-30-2015, 08:55 AM   #347
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OK, so just to clarify, I've looked through this whole thread and it appears I might be ok with my 2005 Safari 22'?
Yes, you should be ok.... you lucky duck.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:56 PM   #348
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OK, so just to clarify, I've looked through this whole thread and it appears I might be ok with my 2005 Safari 22'?
Sorry to be the one to be the bearer of bad news, my 2005 22 ft Safari double axle was about to loose the entire wet noodle frame before I caught it and spent countless days beefing it up with about 500 pounds of good steel. Don G has seen it and you can read my posts and pics on this thread for details
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Old 04-09-2015, 05:27 PM   #349
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can someone provide the part number or service bulletin for the upgraded outrigger?
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:50 PM   #350
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This is a lot to read does it apply to all 22' 2002
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It seems to be pretty much all 22' models of the '02-'06 era.
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