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Old 01-05-2013, 06:47 PM   #295
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Seems to, is an opinion, that has nothing to do with safety.

Your truck, is not a means of "magic".

To tow that trailer without a load equalizing hitch, is jeopardizing the safety of your passengers and the other people on the roads.

Should you lose, for any reason, control of your rig, and damage property or hurt someone, in plain language, "YOUR DEAD MEAT" to any attorney that decides to sue you, as you would have "ZERO" defense.

Your towing that rig is really in violation of safe towing standards.

Then adding air bags, is a waste of money, and will "NOT" in any way increase safety.

Get a small rating load equalizing hitch, with sway control, like 600 pounds.

Your uninformed passengers and the public, will look up to you for doing so.

If your truck needs air bags for another use, that's fine.

"BUT" when you hook the trailer up to the truck, reduce the air pressure to absolute minimum. In that way, the air bags will not interefer with the load equalizing hitch.

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Andy, first I hear a big truck with a equalizer hitch will tear up a trailer frame, then I hear I'd be a hazard to my passengers without it.....do I need to leave the trailer in the driveway or what???
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:14 PM   #296
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Well I guess I'll be good with the 3/4 Dodge crew cab 4x4 Hemi.....

The hitch on the 46 Spartan looks pretty standard, but ho equalizers.

Do have me thinking some about the 40 Ford.....it's got independent suspension, disc brakes and a 9 inch rearend, but it is very light in the rear.

I don't know how much I intend to use the 40 due to it is also rather narrow and the mirrors do not stick out far enough to get a good look behind my other trailers.

It does have a 400 small block chevy and auto trans with good trans cooler so pulling is a lot easier than a flat head ford.

Nice looking old truck ! Damn near bought a 40 pickup , but that was back in 1970, the guy wanted 350 bucks for it and I figured that was a bit steep . I have a 64 F-100 4x4 , used it to pull the 66 24 ft Land Yacht. Handled it just fine with just the ball and a sway bar. Had 10 ply tires on the truck.
4.11 gears and a granny 4 spd.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:49 PM   #297
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Maybe some people need to realize there are not very many 1973 Chrysler station wagons available any more for towing our 2013 Airstreams, and make recommendations based on what is currently available as far as tow vehicles go.
My new 3/4 ton truck rides much more smoothly, and is a lot more refined, than almost any 1/2 ton pickup, or even most SUVs of 10 years ago. In fact, it tows our Sovereign much more smoothly, with less jarring and bouncing, than the 1/2 ton Dodge I traded in on it. If you want to consider ride, the new truck rides more smoothly than my wife's nearly new Focus.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:18 PM   #298
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dannydimitt, feel like I have hi-jacked this thread....lol....thanks for the complement on the 40......it's a 20 footer, but drives like a dream.....I bought it with the help of a friend and got it cheap.

I'll start a thread of my own soon and tell more.

I had a 65 3/4 4x4 390 4 speed forget the gears, but it was a workhorse and rode like a tank
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:21 AM   #299
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NTAC= North Texas Airstream Community.
I do get down your way occasionally. How do I find you?
Check out NTAC'S web site at: www.ntaci.org
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:34 AM   #300
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I do get down your way occasionally. How do I find you?
Check out NTAC'S web site at: www.ntaci.org
Take I40 East to exit 208, turn right, then right. Drive .4 mile then turn right again into the driveway. I can be almost anywhere on the property.
BTW, yours would not be the first 22 I have referred to the factory for frame repairs.
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Andy, first I hear a big truck with a equalizer hitch will tear up a trailer frame, then I hear I'd be a hazard to my passengers without it.....do I need to leave the trailer in the driveway or what???
No, I think you did not read all of the post.

A larger than necessary truck, is absolute "overkill".

A stiff suspension tow vehicle, is what should be avoided.

With regard to hitch ratings,an excessive rated set of hitch bars, also transfers more road shock.

The heavier the tow vehicle suspension and/o the heavier than necessay hitch bars, is the cause of the damages.

As an example from the older days, a 700 to 900 pound tongue weight towed with a large car, should use a 1000 set of bars.

The same tongue weight towed with a 1/2 ton truck, should use 750 pound bars.

The same tongue weight towed with a 3/4 ton truck, or more, should use a 550 to 600 rated set of bars.

The theory is that the heavier tow vehicles can stand some bumper weight.

Therefore less tongue weight needs to be transfered to the front axle.

Keep in mind that an Airstream "MUST" have a soft ride.

Using a 1200 pound to 1400 pound hitch bars on a 3/4 ton or 4 X 4, will send most all of the road shock to the trailer. Therein lies the problem.

More hitch than needed, is going the wrong direction.

Why do many dealers outfit someone like that?

Easiest answer of all.

More profit and less liability.

Do they have the customers investment in mind?

Heck yes, only so they can dig deeper into ones pocket.

Ask those that have down sized the hitch bar ratings.

Not a single one of them, yet, has a negative answer.

Another way to put it, s be very easy on the trailer, with road shock.

The easier, the better. The worse, then be prepared to pay for many types of repairs.

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I agree, I downsized my hitchbars from 1000lbs to 750 and the ride is noticeably softer with less stiff thrown around the trailer.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:36 PM   #303
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Thanks Andy

Now I'm learning.

Does anyone know if the single axle Spartans are a delicate as the Airstreams?

I have started a thread as promised for my Spartan

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f417...ah-100060.html
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Thanks Andy

Now I'm learning.

Does anyone know if the single axle Spartans are a delicate as the Airstreams?

I have started a thread as promised for my Spartan

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f417...ah-100060.html
Forgive my ignorance,were all the old Spartan trailers built as live in full time trailers, and never built one for camping ?
They were built hell for stout and I'd bet your 20 footer is built FAR better than anything Airstream has built in the last 30 years.
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It would be interesting to see pictures of the stripped down frames for an Airstream, an Avion and a Silver Streak. I'm curious to see the differences, side by side. Does anyone have pictures of these?
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Forgive my ignorance,were all the old Spartan trailers built as live in full time trailers, and never built one for camping ?
They were built hell for stout and I'd bet your 20 footer is built FAR better than anything Airstream has built in the last 30 years.
Did I say 20'....ment to say 25'

As for travel trailer vs. park models I'm not sure.....when I get it torn down some I'll try to figure out if it had a holding tank or not.....

The longer models did come later and Spartan did get real serious with park models as time went on....even saw an add for a two story.
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It would be interesting to see pictures of the stripped down frames for an Airstream, an Avion and a Silver Streak. I'm curious to see the differences, side by side. Does anyone have pictures of these?
On page 9 you can see a pic of a 25' frame. Its made of boxed steel not C channel.
http://my.execpc.com/~drg/1972_Avion_Brochure.pdf
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On page 9 you can see a pic of a 25' frame. Its made of boxed steel not C channel.
http://my.execpc.com/~drg/1972_Avion_Brochure.pdf
Thanks for the link to the 1972 Avion catalog. That frame looks similar to what I can see on my 1988 Avion triple axle, 34' trailer. I don't know what kind of rubber suspension that the "Mor/Ryde" suspension was, but my 1988 trailer has an independant leaf spring assembly.

Does anyone have pictures of the Silver Streak frame.

Also, how did Avion attach their body to the strong frame without tearing it apart? It seems that everytime I bring up putting a stronger frame under an Airstream, the issue brought up by experts is that the shell will be destroyed. How did Avion do it? The shell seems to be very similar.
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