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Old 11-19-2010, 06:00 PM   #169
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Julianne, I purchased mine, used, Sept. 2010 at Sundance RV near Shelton, WA. Have someone check the outriggers where they attach to the frame, especially near the step and behind the rear axle. You have to look close. Read all the complaints at, "frame problems" on the forum. Good luck. Jim
Thank you, I wil do that.
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:07 AM   #170
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What years were this "problem frame" used?

I have a 2006 22'CCD and I have not noticed any problems with my frame.
I have not looked close or really studied the frame. Our trailer is in storage for the winter and it will probably be months before I get the chance to look it over.

Im curious and concerned
You are probably okay BradS. The problems where with the first manufactured ones in 2003. Lucky you.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:11 PM   #171
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ATTENTION OWNERS OF 2003 22' CCD rv's
If you have any frame problems contact the National Highway Safety Administration at this site; https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/Fill out there on line complaint form. They will contact you back. Many of us already have and they want to help solve our problem.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:37 PM   #172
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Amend to that Mr Clancy_Boy.
I have been dealing with them now since 2005. They have fixed this and that for me. some I paid for, some they paid for. I now have a frame with welded patches, welded add-on's and rust all over because the frame was not sealed with oil based paint. Out of pocket money for me is well over $3000. And I still have a defective frame. I think those who bought this model after 2004 or 2005 have a great product.
Did you file your compaint with the NHTSA ?
Don,

If I have a 2004, manufactured in August 2003, do I have a potential problem?
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:58 PM   #173
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I submitted my frame crack issue to airstream and Jim called me back but i did not talk to him. We are presently playing phone tag but hopefully i will talk to him tomorrow to see whats what. He knows that i know that they know about the frame issues. Whether they will man up or not remains to be seen.
Jim did call me back on 2 occasions so that is a good thing.
rseagle my 04 has small cracks. What are the last 6 digits of your vin?
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:56 AM   #174
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I submitted my frame crack issue to airstream and Jim called me back but i did not talk to him. We are presently playing phone tag but hopefully i will talk to him tomorrow to see whats what. He knows that i know that they know about the frame issues. Whether they will man up or not remains to be seen.
Jim did call me back on 2 occasions so that is a good thing.
rseagle my 04 has small cracks. What are the last 6 digits of your vin?
My last 6 digits are: .......515186
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:04 AM   #175
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Don,

If I have a 2004, manufactured in August 2003, do I have a potential problem?
I really couldn't say for sure. All I know is the first of the 2003 built had the weak frame. I doubt if we can ever get the vin number series from the factory that would link yours to that batch. Check the outriggers under the steps and see if they extend all the way down to the bottom of the frame. If they only go down 3/4 the way you definitely have one of the bad frames.
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:13 AM   #176
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Don,
FYI... I have a 2002 22' CCD. That is the first year of manufacture. My frame cracked behind both rear axles as well as near one outrigger near the step.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:01 AM   #177
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FYI... I have a 2002 22' CCD. That is the first year of manufacture. My frame cracked behind both rear axles as well as near one outrigger near the step.
Mine is a 2003 and it had a total frame collapse. It may be that both 2002 and 2003 have the bad frames.

Did you report this to NHTSA? The DOT needs to hear from all of us.
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Old 11-24-2010, 11:28 AM   #178
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Mine is a 2003 and it had a total frame collapse. It may be that both 2002 and 2003 have the bad frames.

Did you report this to NHTSA? The DOT needs to hear from all of us.
I had the 2005 which I sold to another member here. I'm very glad to hear that the frame is better on the later ones. This was one of the best layouts A/S ever made, big enough for long trips but small enough to use a "normal" gas station or park in a public place. Sometimes I'd really like to have my old one back. (but I fulltime and the 22 got awfully small).

I'd bet the OSB floor also contributed to the frame failure - no structural strength. Any stress on one part of the frame couldn't be diffused by multiple layers of PLYwood. And any moisture will delaminate OSB like nobody's business. There's another active thread about a floor replacement on a 5 year old Bambi with an OSB floor that has turned into shredded wheat.

Looks like I've got yet another leak around my dinette that could be affecting the floor near the rear bumper. Know what I'm doing over the weekend!

One of my clients is a commercial landlord who has many mixed use buildings (including garages with 14 foot doors). He'll give me a month to month lease for cheap since the vacancy rate is so high. So... I ask myself... do I have the time, skills, energy to do a preventive "frame off nyloboard floor replacement?" ....or do I call P & S and spend the bucks?

Airstream is surviving this recession - but if they did floor replacements on all of the OSB units and frame replacement on the 22's - would they continue to survive? And more to the point - will people like me ever buy another one if they don't step up to the plate? Well I love the look and the closet space of the 27 FB but I can give my whole wardrobe to the Salvation Army and replace it semi-annually for a lot less than buying another A/S. I'll put a decent amount of money into redoing/upgrading my 2005 LONG before I buy another one.

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Old 11-24-2010, 06:26 PM   #179
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Question What about the non-CCD 22' models

I may have asked before, but can't search out my post or answer, so here goes again:

Does anyone know about frame problems on the International AS models? I have one and think my frame is still okay. Is the CCD frame any different than that on the AS? I thought they would be the same frame. If the frames are the same on the two models, why don't we hear of complaints from other International AS customers?

And, why is the frame problem always on the curb side of the CCD?

Fortunately, I don't see any problems on my frame, but I do wonder with all the discussion going on.
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Well. I talked to Jim today at AS. He is sending me a kit to beef up my outriggers on my 04. I will put em in when its not -17C outside.
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Old 11-24-2010, 11:57 PM   #181
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I may have asked before, but can't search out my post or answer, so here goes again:

Does anyone know about frame problems on the International AS models? I have one and think my frame is still okay. Is the CCD frame any different than that on the AS? I thought they would be the same frame. If the frames are the same on the two models, why don't we hear of complaints from other International AS customers?

And, why is the frame problem always on the curb side of the CCD?

Fortunately, I don't see any problems on my frame, but I do wonder with all the discussion going on.
The frames are probably the same only ccd models have an open interior design on the curbside. The streetside is reinforced by lower cabinets,stove,fridge. Curbside is open with no structure. A wimpy dinette flapping in the breeze is all there is. And even that is held in with screws that are too short and aluminum rivets.
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Old 11-25-2010, 12:52 AM   #182
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I may have asked before, but can't search out my post or answer, so here goes again:

Does anyone know about frame problems on the International AS models? I have one and think my frame is still okay. Is the CCD frame any different than that on the AS? I thought they would be the same frame. If the frames are the same on the two models, why don't we hear of complaints from other International AS customers?

And, why is the frame problem always on the curb side of the CCD?

Fortunately, I don't see any problems on my frame, but I do wonder with all the discussion going on.
I agree with Zedex but if your B & G tanks are behind the rear axel, and the frames are the same, the frames will buckle. Keep your tanks empty.
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