Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-14-2010, 07:04 AM   #141
2 Rivet Member
 
2003 22' International
hillsboro , Texas
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by zedex View Post
I will fab and weld in my own stiffeners. What i think is happening is the outriggers are creating undo stress cracks on the frame. Thats why the cracks are running horizontal. The stress cracks weaken the frame where it should flex normally. If you fab plates that distribute the stresses on the frame ,the frame will flex like it should but not crack. I will use my rig as an experiment. Its all i can do really as i doubt very much Airstream will accomodate me being from Canada.
Stress cracks are not a rare thing in frames. Alot of trailers have stress cracks.
In fact a 30 ft arctic fox came into my shop. My business partner had to rescue it from the side of the road.These folks were just leaving on a trip when this happened. One of the rear axles broke away from the frame and rotated and bound up into the other axle.The axle had to be strapped with tie downs to be towed to the shop.
What had happened is the rear axle spring hanger was welded across the bottom web of the frame. That weld created a weakness in the frame and the axle hanger actually tore the bottom of the frame off right at the welds. In the welding business you see all sorts of things that most people have no idea about.
Obviously there are a **** load of airsteams out there that have frame cracks. How does one communicate with these people that have no idea what is going on under their feet? No idea. Sure as hell Airstream will not divulge this info.
Colin
I am pretty sure Airstream will send you there replacement outriggers free of charge. These replacement ones are larger and extend down to the bottom of the frame. When you weld them on do not do any vertical welding. Weld across the top and just tack at the bottom. Now why did your outriggers cause the frame to crack? Because your frame bent behind the rear axle! You must straighten out the frame and beef it up. This is a difficult job with the body setting on the frame, but to take the body off is one major job.
What is the first thing to fail on our model Airstream? The water pump? A light bulb? Maybe something with one of the electric brakes? No, the frame silly.
__________________

__________________
DON GUBRUD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2010, 10:20 AM   #142
steel/aluminum fabricator
 
2004 22' International CCD
Penticton , British Columbia
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 132
Actually. The lightbulb in the bedroom did fail. The other one is still good though.
Don? Are you still in contact with Airstream about your frame failures?
__________________

__________________
zedex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2010, 01:22 PM   #143
2 Rivet Member
 
Airstray's Avatar
 
2003 22' International CCD
1977 31' Excella 500
1966 26' Overlander
Shelton , Washington
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 52
Images: 13
Frame problems---Ser. #

My serial # and DOM: 515320--Jan. 2003 Does anyone know how we can list all our serial numbers on one post? The Attorney General in WA. state says, online, used cars sold "as is" with no warranty are still covered by what is called an "implied warranty". This supersedes any other statement, written or oral. I will call the AG tomorrow and see if non motorized vehicles are covered. Airstray
__________________
Airstray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2010, 01:29 PM   #144
2 Rivet Member
 
Airstray's Avatar
 
2003 22' International CCD
1977 31' Excella 500
1966 26' Overlander
Shelton , Washington
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 52
Images: 13
WA. State Implied Warranty

Dealer Guidelines > Implied Warranty
Implied Warranty
Under state law RCW 62A.2-314, every used car sold by a dealer in Washington for a customer’s personal use has an "implied warranty of merchantability.” This means that the dealer promises the used car will be fit for ordinary driving purposes, reasonably safe, without major defects, and of the average quality of similar cars available for sale in the same price range. A car can only be sold without the implied warranty if the customer knowingly agreed to waive the warranty and was provided with a statement of the particular characteristics or parts of the car that aren’t covered.
Absent the required disclosures and your customer’s explicit consent, an “as is” sticker in the window of a car or a signed waiver is not sufficient to waive the implied warranty. The implied warranty can’t be waived under any circumstance if a written warranty is offered with the car or the customer purchases an extended service warranty from the dealer within 90 days of buying a used car.

Whatever the status of warranty, dealers shouldn’t sell cars that, due to defective or missing safety equipment, aren’t legal to drive on public roads. Here are some general guidelines for meeting your obligations under state law:
  • Washington consumers have a right to trust that any purchased vehicle will be reasonably safe, efficient and comfortable.
  • If a customer has major problems with the vehicle, then the dealer may be obligated to meet the customer’s request for repairs or repayment of the purchase price.
  • Courts have ruled that the implied warranty is legally waived only if both of the following conditions are met:
  1. The consumer explicitly negotiates and agrees to the fact that the car does not have an implied warranty, and
  2. The dealer gives the consumer a statement of the particular characteristics or parts of the car which are not being warranted.
  • A general discussion of vehicle size, style, model, color, power, extra equipment and price is not a specific discussion or explicit negotiation of a waiver of the implied warranty of merchantability.
  • The use of an “As Is” sticker does not circumvent the Implied Warranty of Merchantability rules.
  • A signed, pre-printed form may not be evidence of explicit negotiation.
  • A clause waiving the warranty in a preprinted sales agreement is not evidence of explicit negotiation.
  • The burden is on the dealer to prove evidence of an effective disclaimer or waiver of a warranty.
  • If a customer buys an extended service warranty contract within 90 days of buying the used car, the implied warranty of merchantability cannot be waived under any circumstances – even if previously negotiated.
Used cars also have another implied warranty under state law RCW 62A.2-315, called Warranty of Fitness for a Particular Purpose. This provides that when the seller knows the vehicle is going to be used for a particular purpose, such as racing or towing a trailer, and the buyer is relying on the seller’s expertise to provide a suitable vehicle, a warranty is created that the item will actually be fit for that purpose.I don't know yet if there is a "statue of limitations" on this, but will inquire.
__________________
Airstray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2010, 05:28 PM   #145
2 Rivet Member
 
Airstray's Avatar
 
2003 22' International CCD
1977 31' Excella 500
1966 26' Overlander
Shelton , Washington
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 52
Images: 13
Angry Holiday Rambler RECALL???

1999-2004 HOLIDAY RAMBLER ALUMASCAPESTRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS
Units affected: 3439MONACO COACH CORPORATION
Report Date: 2004-10-05Summary: ON CERTAIN FIFTH WHEEL TRAILERS, A DEFICIENCY IN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE MAIN FRAME RAILS COULD CAUSE THE RAILS TO CRACK AND AXLES COULD SHIFT, CAUSING THE FIFTH WHEEL TO PULL ERRATICALLY.Airstream should be ashamed. Airstray
__________________
Airstray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 08:43 AM   #146
2 Rivet Member
 
2003 22' International
hillsboro , Texas
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by Airstray View Post
1999-2004 HOLIDAY RAMBLER ALUMASCAPESTRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS
Units affected: 3439MONACO COACH CORPORATION
Report Date: 2004-10-05Summary: ON CERTAIN FIFTH WHEEL TRAILERS, A DEFICIENCY IN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE MAIN FRAME RAILS COULD CAUSE THE RAILS TO CRACK AND AXLES COULD SHIFT, CAUSING THE FIFTH WHEEL TO PULL ERRATICALLY.Airstream should be ashamed. Airstray
Yes Airstream should be ashamed.
My thinking is this;
We live in a capitalistic structure and bottom line is profit. With material, such as our trailers, it comes down to sales. Now they already have your money for the RV you have, when comes time to buy another RV, what brand will you probably buy? Another Airstream! There is no ''bottom line'' motivation for them to spend their profit money on our frame problem. Notice i said ''our problem''.
__________________
DON GUBRUD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 08:49 AM   #147
2 Rivet Member
 
2003 22' International
hillsboro , Texas
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by zedex View Post
Actually. The lightbulb in the bedroom did fail. The other one is still good though.
Don? Are you still in contact with Airstream about your frame failures?
The simple answer is no. The last contact I had was maybe a year ago when I asked them if they would weld on a channel to the frame if I brought my RV to them. This is a factory supplied channel. They told me that my unit is out of warranty, so they will but at their standard labor rate.
__________________
DON GUBRUD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 01:50 PM   #148
Rivet Master
 
clancy_boy's Avatar
 
2003 22' International CCD
Kiln , Mississippi
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,780
Images: 8
This continuing saga of frame failure/destroyed floors (connected issue - I would say so) is a sad thing to read. Having lived through this ordeal and delt with AS directly (costly) I would say they have little if any incentive to assist or help out the current owners. I do see that some late model (2007 and newer) trailers have been repaired under "warrenty" but this has not been passed on to the rest of us. It's a hit or miss repair warrenty where they apply it to the owner of random fortune. Sad for an American icon like AS, my Toyota 4x4 was recalled 11 years after purchased and had $2800 in refit and repairs done for free.
__________________
Michael & Tina with Layla and Preston BZ
The family has grown.
2003 22' INTERNATIONAL CCD
clancy_boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 02:32 PM   #149
Don't forget your cat nap
 
Ag&Au's Avatar
 
Port Orchard , Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,464
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by clancy_boy View Post
This continuing saga of frame failure/destroyed floors (connected issue - I would say so) is a sad thing to read. Having lived through this ordeal and delt with AS directly (costly) I would say they have little if any incentive to assist or help out the current owners. I do see that some late model (2007 and newer) trailers have been repaired under "warrenty" but this has not been passed on to the rest of us. It's a hit or miss repair warrenty where they apply it to the owner of random fortune. Sad for an American icon like AS, my Toyota 4x4 was recalled 11 years after purchased and had $2800 in refit and repairs done for free.
Have any of you contacted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to report this a a safety issue? It certainly seems to be one.

Ken
__________________
Ag&Au is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 03:49 PM   #150
Rivet Master
 
HowieE's Avatar
 
1991 34' Excella
Princeton , New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,806
Images: 12
Question to the Modes.

Is there a way to search the membership list by year and model of Airstream owned?

If so someone should start to compile a list and contact those possible effected.

Some owners may not even know they are at risk yet based on age or limited use to date.
__________________
WBCCI 12156 AIR 3144 WACHUNG TAC NJ6
2004 Excursion 4x4
1991 34 ft. Excella +220,000 miles, new laminated flooring, new upholstery, new 3200 lbs axles

HowieE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 05:09 PM   #151
steel/aluminum fabricator
 
2004 22' International CCD
Penticton , British Columbia
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 132
There should be a sticky on every forum . But even so that would be a miniscule %age of people owning ccd,s with faulty frames. I am hoping "airstray" comes back with something we can use legally.
On a side note i contacted "airstream" today. I talked to a guy in customer service about the cracks in my 04 22' ccd. He acted all surprised like..... "where are these cracks on your trailer"? No word of a lie i just smiled to myself, "well. These cracks are on the curb side under all the outriggers" The guy..."really" "Can you send photos and the model # of your trailer and we will see what we can do"
I am sure he just looked over at his associate and pointed to his phone while i was telling him where the cracks were. As if to say.. "We got another one"
__________________
zedex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 05:39 PM   #152
Rivet Master
 
VIKING's Avatar
 
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Boulder Creek , California
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,177
Quote:
Originally Posted by HowieE View Post
Question to the Modes.

Is there a way to search the membership list by year and model of Airstream owned?

If so someone should start to compile a list and contact those possible effected.

Some owners may not even know they are at risk yet based on age or limited use to date.

Airstream Forums - Members List

Member list- search members- advanced search-
enter 1st trailer information and scroll down to the search button.
There are 29 members with 2004 22' intl ccd's, but some may be duplicates or out of date.

Rich the Viking
__________________
VIKING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 06:11 PM   #153
Rivet Master
 
HowieE's Avatar
 
1991 34' Excella
Princeton , New Jersey
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,806
Images: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by VIKING View Post
Airstream Forums - Members List

Member list- search members- advanced search-
enter 1st trailer information and scroll down to the search button.
There are 29 members with 2004 22' intl ccd's, but some may be duplicates or out of date.

Rich the Viking
Nice work. How many years are involved with the frame failure?
__________________
WBCCI 12156 AIR 3144 WACHUNG TAC NJ6
2004 Excursion 4x4
1991 34 ft. Excella +220,000 miles, new laminated flooring, new upholstery, new 3200 lbs axles

HowieE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2010, 06:50 PM   #154
Rivet Master
 
clancy_boy's Avatar
 
2003 22' International CCD
Kiln , Mississippi
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,780
Images: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by zedex View Post
There should be a sticky on every forum . But even so that would be a miniscule %age of people owning ccd,s with faulty frames. I am hoping "airstray" comes back with something we can use legally.
On a side note i contacted "airstream" today. I talked to a guy in customer service about the cracks in my 04 22' ccd. He acted all surprised like..... "where are these cracks on your trailer"? No word of a lie i just smiled to myself, "well. These cracks are on the curb side under all the outriggers" The guy..."really" "Can you send photos and the model # of your trailer and we will see what we can do"
I am sure he just looked over at his associate and pointed to his phone while i was telling him where the cracks were. As if to say.. "We got another one"

PM me for phone number exchange if you want - you have no idea how true your thoughts are in your post. Been there, done that, paid dearly.....
__________________

__________________
Michael & Tina with Layla and Preston BZ
The family has grown.
2003 22' INTERNATIONAL CCD
clancy_boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1984 Airstream International 34 foot, 3 axle Travel Trailer eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 02-13-2012 12:50 PM
1973 31 foot airstream sovereign international eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 02-06-2012 12:10 PM
1984 Airstream International 34 foot, 3 axle Travel Trailer eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 12-08-2011 09:10 PM
1984 Airstream International 34 foot, 3 axle Travel Trailer eBay Watch Airstreams on eBay 0 09-26-2011 08:20 PM
Frame Failure dmm9623 Repairing/Replacing Floor &/or Frame 9 08-12-2011 11:03 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.