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Old 10-10-2008, 09:44 PM   #15
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What you are seeing is an elevator bolt. They are designed to sit flush with the plywood surface.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...lts-43236.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...lts-16001.html
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:35 AM   #16
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Thanks Cam. After posting my note I had time to do some cleaning and I find a slotted screw head showing. Will do some more poking around but I doubt we will do any work until spring. If I can work from the top maybe I can get a piece in there myself. We love this trailer but will simply have to sell it if we can't do this ourselves. What a damn shame. Thanks again.
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Old 10-12-2008, 07:30 AM   #17
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We discovered 4 soft spots that you could put your arm through on our '86 after purchase (stupid me). The first thing you should address is where the leaks came from. Sometimes this is a tedious process, but what's the point of fixing your flooring if you still have the leaks? My husband fixed the floor with patches of marine plywood that he fitted for the spot & kind of carved to fit in the channel. You can do it! It's just a bit sickening that it happened in the first place & no one can see it happening!
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:52 AM   #18
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Something I didn't add above, at least it is "just" the floor. We found part of the frame nearly rotted in half on our trailer, with no corresponding rotten wood, or visible leaks, AFTER we towed it from Florida to California. So, in that perspective, it could be worse, and is something that can be repaired without complete disassembly of the trailer.
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Old 10-12-2008, 03:35 PM   #19
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Overlander you have my sympathy. We know where the leaks were and have taken care of them. Fortunately ALL the metal we have found is bright and shiny-no problems at all. Our trailer was owned by an A'Scream fanatic before we bought it from him and he did all sorts of mods etc. to it with regular change/fix/ everything, including "white topping" the roof before the factory offerd it and installing the worlds greatest outside vented catalytic heater, twin automatic Fantastic fans, sliding bathroom door conversion etc.. Am more hopeful we can do this repair on our own.
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Old 10-12-2008, 05:33 PM   #20
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I have pulled my carpet back from the entrance

and found a leak next to the door. the tack strips for the carpet are ruined and will need replacing...
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I got some epoxy glue....lots of it...a big package of it...about 8 ounces from the hobby shop. Mixed up the glue, and thinned it with alcohol (a mixture of about 2 parts glue and one part alcohol), and then poured the entire mixture on the bad floor area. The thinned glue will soak into the wood, and make it as strong as steel when it hardens. We used that trailer for several years without any issues with the floor.

Given the same situation again, I would not hesitate to use the epoxy glue.
Is this solution something that allows nails, brads or screws to fasten the tack strips for carpeting?
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Old 10-12-2008, 07:23 PM   #21
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and found a leak next to the door. the tack strips for the carpet are ruined and will need replacing...


Is this solution something that allows nails, brads or screws to fasten the tack strips for carpeting?
Yes, you can nail into the epoxy soaked wood, but screws into drilled holes would work better.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:20 PM   #22
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I once had an Argosy that had leaked around the toilet and the particle board floor had turned to mush under the carpet. I too did not want to take the whole trailer apart to fix it, so I figured out another way.

I got some epoxy glue....lots of it...a big package of it...about 8 ounces from the hobby shop. Mixed up the glue, and thinned it with alcohol (a mixture of about 2 parts glue and one part alcohol), and then poured the entire mixture on the bad floor area. The thinned glue will soak into the wood, and make it as strong as steel when it hardens. We used that trailer for several years without any issues with the floor.

Given the same situation again, I would not hesitate to use the epoxy glue.
I have found an area of wood floor under a water pipe, in the rear of my 1981 Excella II, about 2"X8" of soft plywood. Should I apply the epoxy trick, or is this small of an area not worth doing anything to it? The floor is not supporting anything in this area, but is close to the dreaded rear end sag area. The water leak has been repaired.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:32 PM   #23
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Instead of pirating this post, I will put my question into a new post.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:56 PM   #24
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Overlander you have my sympathy. We know where the leaks were and have taken care of them. Fortunately ALL the metal we have found is bright and shiny-no problems at all. Our trailer was owned by an A'Scream fanatic before we bought it from him and he did all sorts of mods etc. to it with regular change/fix/ everything, including "white topping" the roof before the factory offerd it and installing the worlds greatest outside vented catalytic heater, twin automatic Fantastic fans, sliding bathroom door conversion etc.. Am more hopeful we can do this repair on our own.
This type of floor repair should be entirely possible from the top side of the floor. Here are the basic steps that are involved:

1.) Cut out the rotted area - preferably in a shape that is easy to cut a new piece to fit. Remove any screws or elevator bolts that were holding down the part you took out. You can use something like a hacksaw if necessary to cut them off.

2.) Use strips of plywood 4" to 6" wide to attach around the edges of the hole on the bottom side of the remaining floor so that they create a ledge to sit the new floor piece on. I would suggest some good wood glue and screws from above into the plywood strips to attach them. It helps to have a clamp of some sort to hold the strip in place while you put in the screws. The screws only need to be about every 6" or so. The glue will do most of the work. I would use 1-1/2" decking screws.

3.) Cut your new piece of plywood (not OSB) to fit the hole. Apply some wood glue on the ledger that you created in step #2. Insert the patch piece and screw it down.

4.) If the patch crosses over part of the metal frame (and it sounds like yours just might) you can add some self-drilling/self-threading screws through the new plywood into the frame. The kind that I used in replacing my entire floor are shown in the attached photo. I bought them at Home Depot but they would be available other places too. The smaller ones should be long enough.

It also sounds like from your description that for someone that is 70 years old you are not afraid to get involved at least. The steps I have listed above should make sense to anyone that is reasonably handy and are not really that hard to do. So if you can find someone that is generally handy you can have them read this and go to work - that is if you don't feel up to taking it on yourself.

I hope this helps. Also I would be happy to try to answer any questions if you have any.

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Old 11-08-2008, 12:59 AM   #25
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Mine too! Which is why I live here!
I have lived in Seattle for a year and a half and we have been to Vancouver three times so far to visit, and to visit a friend in Abbottsford another time as well. I love it there too.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:25 AM   #26
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Floor Rot

I have an 88 29' as well and had the same problem (well it's still there I have 1/3 of the rear floor removed). The one leak that you have to check out is where the compartment door hinge covers the seam between the skins. Drill out the 6 or so rivets and seal that seam under the hinge, on both sides. I found that I had thought that I had all the leaks I could find fixed and then did the hose test and found the leak at the compartment door. You would think that at the factory this would have been done!????

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Also drop me a line if you have questions I'm doing the same repair that you are as I type this.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:26 AM   #27
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There will be an article in the next Vintage Advantage newsletter on floor replacement and you might want to read that first before hiring anyone to do the work.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:45 AM   #28
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I have an 88 29' as well and had the same problem (well it's still there I have 1/3 of the rear floor removed). The one leak that you have to check out is where the compartment door hinge covers the seam between the skins. Drill out the 6 or so rivets and seal that seam under the hinge, on both sides. I found that I had thought that I had all the leaks I could find fixed and then did the hose test and found the leak at the compartment door. You would think that at the factory this would have been done!????

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Ed, this is not a new problem with the factory. I just replaced the front panel on my 60 28' and there was no sealent at the seams. The side panels did overlap about a foot but you could see where the water had been seeping in and running along toward the interior. There is lots of vulcum on the seams now.
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