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Old 09-07-2009, 01:09 PM   #29
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Interesting, this thread from 2 years ago... We had a '02 International. Had problems with the laminate popping off EVERYTHING and had the service bulletin advising us to get some frame work done to strengthen it. That was a clusterbuck if I ever saw one... but anyway, we always thought the design of the '02 International was really nice had they only took care of the QC issues. It was like a very cool picture but the reality of it left alot to be desired.

I can't count how many emails we had back & forth between A/S and the then Airstream website/forums (that have since disappeared). We ended up trading for an '05 30' Classic which had significantly fewer QC issues (thank god)... The '02 International, frankly, scared me because of the problem/issues it had.
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Old 09-20-2009, 07:49 PM   #30
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I Know this is over now in your mind, but my guess is this trailer was tied down on a tow vehicle. They over tightened it and when it bounced on rough road it did it in.
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Old 09-22-2009, 11:40 AM   #31
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I Know this is over now in your mind, but my guess is this trailer was tied down on a tow vehicle. They over tightened it and when it bounced on rough road it did it in.
You are correct. The rest of the saga can be found here:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ars-45839.html

The downside is when making the first repair the Airstream factory assured me my towing setup was appropriate. 1 year later....

I now run without WD bars. So far so good... jk
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Old 09-23-2009, 10:59 AM   #32
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running without WD bars sounds interesting. background... i have had a LOT of problems with frame cracks with my 2003 23' int. the factory has replaced my frame once, countless patches, welds and factory kits on the new frame with no help. still the frame is a weak point. but running without the bars may ease the strain on the trailer frame somewhat but i wonder if the total stability will be compormised. the front end of the tow vehiclel will not have the correct weight distribution.
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...i wonder if the total stability will be compormised. the front end of the tow vehiclel will not have the correct weight distribution.
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the o.p. for this thread is towing with a 1 TON truck (srw) and was using 1000 lb w/d bars for a ~550-600 lb tongue.

so running without spring bars will have virtually NO effect on w/d (the steering axle load) because of the payload capacity of his 1 TON truck...

and the relatively small tongue mass of the poorly-built-no-belly-pan-osbflooring-weak-framed 22 footers.

he may have issues WITHOUT sway control,

but there are hitches (or lighter w/d bars) that solve the sway problem WITHOUT added w/d stress to the frames...
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otoh YOUR experience with the 23 footer (i think u mean 22) being towed by a TINY asian truck is interesting...

and certainly REFUTES the silly notion that TOO MUCH TRUCK is the cause of these problems...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...ure-48105.html

and NO w/d bars or zero tension with YOUR COMBO would clearly UNLOAD the steering axle of that 'yota...

which is NOT a good solution for your rig.
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the issue was and still IS that a/s is using marginal frames (IN-adequate)...

combined with LESS than ideal brittle shells and FEWER connections between the 2.

everyone is frantic about the corrosion issue,

when the REAL concern (ok make a list) should be clearly inadequate basic structure of many a/s models.

for more out of body experiences read here,

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...ion-35237.html

and beware the cracks are real and may be growing...

and it's NOT the bike racks as many of the rear sag threads MISLEADINGLY suggest...

it's the stickers...

DO NOT PUT ANY STICKERS on the the bumper or rear window, it's too much stress for the semi mono coque design...

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Old 09-23-2009, 04:52 PM   #34
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Ha! Then the "caution, wide load" stickers on my rear may be the source of my crack?
Sorry, couldn't resist!

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Old 09-23-2009, 05:20 PM   #35
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...Then the "caution, wide load" stickers on my rear may be the source of my crack?...
depends, was the sticker balanced first?

caution w i d e l o a d stickers on rear end cracks...hummm.

i see a thread coming and a hole new product line.

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Old 09-23-2009, 05:45 PM   #36
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depends, was the sticker balanced first?

caution w i d e l o a d stickers on rear end cracks...hummm.

i see a thread coming and a hole new product line.

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2air' nice to see you're back! I for one have missed your posts.

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don

the o.p. for this thread is towing with a 1 TON truck (srw) and was using 1000 lb w/d bars for a ~550-600 lb tongue.

so running without spring bars will have virtually NO effect on w/d (the steering axle load) because of the payload capacity of his 1 TON truck...

and the relatively small tongue mass of the poorly-built-no-belly-pan-osbflooring-weak-framed 22 footers.

he may have issues WITHOUT sway control,

but there are hitches (or lighter w/d bars) that solve the sway problem WITHOUT added w/d stress to the frames...
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otoh YOUR experience with the 23 footer (i think u mean 22) being towed by a TINY asian truck is interesting...

and certainly REFUTES the silly notion that TOO MUCH TRUCK is the cause of these problems...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...ure-48105.html

and NO w/d bars or zero tension with YOUR COMBO would clearly UNLOAD the steering axle of that 'yota...

which is NOT a good solution for your rig.
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the issue was and still IS that a/s is using marginal frames (IN-adequate)...

combined with LESS than ideal brittle shells and FEWER connections between the 2.

everyone is frantic about the corrosion issue,

when the REAL concern (ok make a list) should be clearly inadequate basic structure of many a/s models.

for more out of body experiences read here,

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...ion-35237.html

and beware the cracks are real and may be growing...

and it's NOT the bike racks as many of the rear sag threads MISLEADINGLY suggest...

it's the stickers...

DO NOT PUT ANY STICKERS on the the bumper or rear window, it's too much stress for the semi mono coque design...

cheers
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Thanks for clarifying 2air. Yes, I am towing with a 1 ton, which barely notices the trailer tailing behind, especially as I tow below 65 mph always. That probably would not be the case with a 1/2 ton or lighter TV.

Your points are right on the money. The frame is definitely the weak point, on my trailer at least (likewise with Don).

I have also removed all stickers from the rear of the trailer...

Good to have you back on the forums. Your insight, honesty and wit has been missed. jk
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Old 09-24-2009, 09:45 PM   #38
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i see a thread coming and a hole new product line.
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"hole" new product line, eh...?

...stamped, pressed or... uh... extruded? :
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