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03-27-2011, 01:42 PM
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Moving toward completion
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03-27-2011, 01:57 PM
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Floor patch
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03-27-2011, 02:04 PM
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1981 20' International
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I replaced the same section in the Old Girl.....Must be a commen "bad" spot in the 70's AS's.
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03-27-2011, 02:13 PM
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1973 23' Safari
North of Boston
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Originally Posted by Top
Yesterday I finished drilling, bolting and welding in the 2x3 angle iron to the underside of the main frame rails. It attaches to the axle mounting support plate at the front with five 1/2" bolts and welded to the bottom of the main frame rails.
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why?
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03-27-2011, 03:43 PM
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Frame support
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Originally Posted by Chuck
why?
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Chuck,
I cut the old rusty 3x1" angle iron that held the black tank box under the main frame rails. As you've already read, I am adding two 25gal gray tanks. I'm replacing the black tank with a larger 25 gallon tank as well. That is 75 gallons of waste. So the possibility of 625lbs of waste water calls for some additional support. Also, it makes a nice flat belly pan from just rear of the axles to the bumper. This will also allow for the gray tanks and plumbing to be hidden under the belly pan. This is my version of "Farmer Engineering"
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03-27-2011, 04:09 PM
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oh, ok. couldn't make that out in the pictures. And actually, I was kind of wondering how you were planning to wrap up the tanks.
I thought that would have been 3" c-channel under the main frame rails on the longer models that have sub-floor tanks.
Mine is a shorty, so the black tank is inside, sitting on the floor. nothin' underneath but pipes. 5" c-channel frame. I would like to add tanks below, though, and thats what I was thinking of how to box them in: 3" C from the axle mounting plate to the bumper. Most of those wedge shaped tanks of appropriate size are about 8" deep at the outlet, so that would just fit.
Of course, they'd be "hung" from up high, so I'm not sure how that extended frame would actually add "support;" but it would box everything in neatly.
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03-27-2011, 04:33 PM
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Wow it's moving right along. Can't wait to see it!
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03-29-2011, 05:55 AM
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Boxing in the tanks
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Originally Posted by Chuck
oh, ok. couldn't make that out in the pictures. And actually, I was kind of wondering how you were planning to wrap up the tanks.
I thought that would have been 3" c-channel under the main frame rails on the longer models that have sub-floor tanks.
Mine is a shorty, so the black tank is inside, sitting on the floor. nothin' underneath but pipes. 5" c-channel frame. I would like to add tanks below, though, and thats what I was thinking of how to box them in: 3" C from the axle mounting plate to the bumper. Most of those wedge shaped tanks of appropriate size are about 8" deep at the outlet, so that would just fit.
Of course, they'd be "hung" from up high, so I'm not sure how that extended frame would actually add "support;" but it would box everything in neatly.
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Chuck,
My original plan was to use 3" C-channel, however the stuff I found here locally was VERY heavy. It was about twice as heavy per foot than the 3x2 angle iron. I know that adding too much weight under the frame is a very bad thing. I called in a question to the VAP about frame reinforcement. "How much is too much" Both Colin Hyde and Frank Yensan cautioned to not over do it. My second option was to have some 1/8" metal bent the size I needed. The only place around here I could find that could/would do that had a $250 minimum production order and they told me on the phone it could take up to four weeks. So that is why I chose the 3x2" angle iron. It is heavy but not excessively heavy. It gives the 3" drop from the 5" main frame rails for 8" total drop. The Ronco tanks I'm using are 8 1/4" in height at the outlet drain. So the belly pan won't be exactly flat at the three tank outlets. That is my plan. Let's see how it all turns out.
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03-29-2011, 06:38 AM
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1973 23' Safari
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excellent info!
perhaps that is a good argument for not boxing them in at all. a la r.j. dial's refurb on vintageairstream.com. He just let 'em hang...
or maybe box them in individually, rather than the entire aft section. Things to ponder...
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03-29-2011, 03:33 PM
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Tanks installed. Working on plumbing
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03-29-2011, 04:35 PM
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Rivet Master
1997 30' Excella
1961 26' Overlander
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1981 28' Airstream 280
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That's lookin' really good, Top. What an incredible amount of work you have done in a short time. It's reall starting to come together.
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03-29-2011, 06:00 PM
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Lance Are you tieing the two grey tanks together or will they discharge seperately to the drain outlet. Is one grey for the kitchen and the other for the bathroom.
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03-29-2011, 06:57 PM
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Plumbing
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Originally Posted by wasagachris
Lance Are you tieing the two grey tanks together or will they discharge seperately to the drain outlet. Is one grey for the kitchen and the other for the bathroom.
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WC,
The gray tanks will be plumbed together with a common drain. I plan on having the rear bath drain into the aft gray tank and the kitchen drain in the forward tank. Just one gray valve near the 3" black outlet. I haven't got it all nailed down as to how exactly I will make it work with the discharge/outlet. I ordered a bunch of fittings from an RV place and when I get them home tomorrow, I'll be doing some dry fitting. I'm open to any suggestions. All I know about plumbing is S&%# rolls downhill and payday is on Friday!
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03-29-2011, 07:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bwoodtx
That's lookin' really good, Top. What an incredible amount of work you have done in a short time. It's reall starting to come together.
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Thanks Bruce! I think I should have been working harder. I may have been done by now. The Army is releasing me from the Medical transition Unit back to Ft Hood in a few days, so, I'll have even less time to work on Abby. That means I'll actually have to go to work like five days a week!
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03-29-2011, 07:07 PM
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Lance this is the reason I`m asking. It looks like you are planning to pipe the first tank around the outside of the second. I would have thought that the best way was to pipe the first tank directly into the second and the second would drain into the outlet. That way essentially you would have one large tank so the capacity from either source could fill both tanks. Am I wrong about the elbow mounted on the first tank.
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03-29-2011, 07:42 PM
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#136
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Yes. That is my plan. Pipe the thanks together through the drains. I contemplated connecting the tanks together in an other manner, but when I was shopping for tanks, it was a bit cost prohibitive. I still will have one large tank because they are connected with a common drain.
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03-29-2011, 07:44 PM
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Ahhh..here I sit a fat cat bloated on Cooper's pork loin and brisket. Nice work today Top...was waiting for the call buy never heard from you. Looks like you made out fine without me!
Steve
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04-03-2011, 05:27 PM
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#138
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One piece
I love Sunday. I got some work done today. I got one piece of the flooring in. Here's are some pics.
Now it's time to grill some beef!
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04-03-2011, 06:21 PM
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No trip to the Blue Bonnet festival or Coopers????
Looking good.
Steve
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04-03-2011, 07:29 PM
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No, no road trip today. Hung out around here and worked on Abby some. Did some shopping. I went out with my daughter and helped her pick out a guitar. She has been saving her money that I pay her for getting all "A"s in school. She won the district championship for the one mile run yesterday with a time of 6:00. We just finished eating the steaks I grilled. Lovely day here in Texas.
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