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07-22-2014, 02:30 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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'62 GT Shell Off Renovation
Thank you to all that have been contributors on the forum! We have been following many threads over the years. We purchased a 1962 Globetrotter (Ohio) a few years ago. Our intention was to clean it up and use it for a few years before renovating. Once we got it home and had a closer look, we decided to gut it. Although most things were present, they were worn or worn out. There was no way to clean everything without taking it apart. Trust me, 50 yrs of dirt and grime! I must have vacuumed up at least 20 lbs of sand and washed the walls over and over. There was some floor rot in the front under the fresh water tank. The floor under the rear bathroom was basically missing. The frame also needed fixing. A few bolts to get us by. We threw some 1/2" plywood over the old floor and have used it on a limited basis. Now it is time to remove the interior skin and fix the "foundation". The photos were taken when we brought it (we call it the Money Pit or $Pit ) home. The shell is in good shape, all of the windows work as does the door. At 1st glance the interior looks good, but . . .
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07-22-2014, 02:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Welcome and keep posting those pictures! I love you're globe trotter!
Cliff
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07-26-2014, 07:41 AM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Skins Removed and Gantries Built
Ok, the lower skins and insulation have been removed. There is some bracing in place. The gantries have been built and the neighbors are talking. No cops have shown up. Actually, the neighbors are interested in the entire process.
We need to maneuver the trailer into the gantry system and start removing bolts. A social event later today is going to limit the progress. However, at 90 degrees it will be nice to have an excuse to exit the trailer.
Nancy
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07-26-2014, 11:48 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Currently Looking...
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,060
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Sounds like a very nice lead-in to a rehab, get some use, enjoy it some and then improve on it - the gentle tsunami approach versus a caffeine fueled three-day tear down. I'm sat here trying to come up with something witty that includes a public hanging with the gallows built and displayed beforehand, then plus something just a shell of its former self soon but somehow it's just writing itself...
You've got me reading every word, from my experience the best advice is be sure to post twice then purchase something and not the other way around
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The days are short and the night is long and the stars go tumbling by.. . ~Airstream~
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07-26-2014, 09:14 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Lift off
It was a productive day thanks to the cloud cover. We (he) drilled rivets out around the exterior of the trailer. Yes, we read that we should look for the hidden rivets. Sneaky little @#?!*%&^! Used a putty knife along the edges to find the tough ones. All in all, not too bad. Now the shell has been lifted and lowered. We placed four green treated 4x4s under the trailer and screwed chunks of 2x4s vertical to tie the bracing to the 4x4s. Wow, the air circulation really increased once the frame and floor were removed!
Weather permitting, tomorrow we will hang the frame and take off the belly pan.
Nancy
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07-27-2014, 03:38 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Nice work now how are you planning to cut the grass?
Cliff
Yes I said that! Or did I?
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Gotta get busy! Have a great day! Now where did I put those revits?
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07-27-2014, 05:10 AM
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Rivet Master
1959 26' Overlander
Western
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,468
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cncampers
.... Wow, the air circulation really increased once the frame and floor were removed!
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You've heard the warnings about tying that shell down well with weights, right? I feel awful for the person who lost their shell when they underestimated the power generated by wind -- actually the wind speed squared.
Great trailer and great work! Late '50s to early 60's Globetrotters are one of my favorite Airstreams.
Please keep the pics coming. There are a lot of resto-thread junkies around here.
John
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07-27-2014, 07:07 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Do not go crazy with the hold downs the caravel shell was held down with trailer anchors then I removed them raised the shell to reinstall and got called away at the last minute and guess what! North Easter came through with 70 to 80mph gust and all I could think was oh crap! But not a problem! Not that aero dynamic and with the bracing it still weighted a lot !
Cliff
Yes I said that! Or did I?
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07-28-2014, 05:40 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Cliff - no worries about cutting the grass. We have started farming AS parts. Does anyone know how many days until harvest on belly pans? Honestly I was hoping mother nature would do my AS laundry, but I think I had to run a hose over it today.
John – not too concerned about the shell taking flight. We left the upper skins and end cap in. The plywood that was on the floor is now on the bracing. The trailer is protected on 3 sides by buildings. The bigger concern is the old trees located curbside.
Nancy
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07-28-2014, 06:19 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Belly Pan Off
The weather cooperated with us yesterday. It chased us into the garage a few times, but no real rain until dinner time. We flipped the frame to belly pan side up. We removed the belly pan and all of the nastiness underneath! For those of you that remove the belly pan from underneath, all I have to say is yuck. No real surprises. Acorns, seeds, chewed pine cones, candy wrappers, dead insects, and dirt. Lots of dirt. Maybe we should have turned it into a planter. I vacuumed up the residue sucking up parts of the frame and subfloor.
While the bottom side was up, the bolts were ground off. Once completed, we flipped it back on the wheels. We then removed the plywood we had laid over the original floor. The fiberglass wheel well covers were removed followed by the C-channel. The sawzall was used where needed to get rid of bolts and screws.
The frame is broken in a couple of places. The worst being the curbside rear corner. The entire back end hoped up and down. One outrigger on the street side rear of the wheel well was no longer attached.
We will have to work on getting the original plywood off without doing further damage. We do have our overlay as a template.
I have photos of the damage to the frame, but can't get them uploaded. I will try to get them posted over the next few days.
Nancy
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07-28-2014, 06:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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While that may work I believe the actual harvest is on the order of thousands of years! Look at the good side those are not hard woods that break easy in a bad storm! Oh wait they are!!! I had a pine that the Beatles had eaten on the lot next door looming over mine! Now it just looms over my bedroom so the caravel is safe! Great work you are making awesome progress!
Cliff
Yes I said that! Or did I?
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07-28-2014, 06:28 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 17' Caravel
Newport
, North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,291
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Oh yes post those pictures!
Cliff
Yes I said that! Or did I?
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07-30-2014, 09:03 AM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Photos Under Belly Pan
As promised, photos from what we found under the belly pan.
Nancy
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07-30-2014, 09:37 AM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Frame Condition
Ok, there are rust issues. No surprise. The other issue is on the street side where we assume it was a PO that ran piping to tie the sink and shower to the black tank by cutting holes in the frame. Not sure why they didn't use the slots in the frame. All of these will need to be replaced. Mr. C has his work cut out for him. Pun intended.
We had an new axle in the garage that we were planning on using. Doesn't everyone have a few spares? Turns out it won't work. The hubs aren't offset enough to clear the frame. Oh, what's a little more money?
Off to buy a lottery ticket.
Nancy
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07-30-2014, 09:38 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1967 26' Overlander
Bugtussle
, Oklahoma
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 400
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Great work! You're making this Airstream restoration business look easy. I can't wait to get back to work on mine tomorrow.
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1967 Overlander International 26ft
2006 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S 520hp 530ft-lbs torque 7700lb towing capacity
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07-30-2014, 11:31 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Currently Looking...
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,060
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Wow, that is sure bucketfuls of dust and dirt... I wonder how many times it got buried or dragged to the axles in some SW desert mud slough after a rain
Using the slots in the spars to run plumbing is okay right up to the point of also being able to include a continuous slope to the drain run, using one spar 'lightening hole' as a short cut should be considered pure luck if the pipe size, feed and following slopes allow it...
Now might be the time to mention not getting too aggressive removing the rust scale - there is good metal lost along with the rust using sharp grit sandblasting or abrasive wheel strippers - on those sections not being replaced, if* any. (*thatta isa one tired frame!)
A product like POR-15 (paint-over-rust 15) uses the well-fused bottom layer of rust to make a near molecular bond once it's been prepared by removing loose or weak bonded scale. Be wary about leaving pin-holes from air bubbles on the 2nd/3rd coats when the time comes, the only way rust will wake back up with POR...
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08-01-2014, 07:08 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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The welder was dusted off and tested. Today we made a trip to the steel yard. Returned home and dropped the old axle. Off we went to a local shop to order a new axle. It should arrive the week of the 18th. Home again and started removing pieces from the frame. Well, let's just say as the cookie crumbles, so does the frame. RIP. The plan is to head back to the steel yard on Monday to get the rest of the pieces to make a new frame. Looks like I will have to mow the lawn this weekend.
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08-03-2014, 08:53 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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We made some progress this weekend. The new out riggers are all cut and ready to go. The cross members are all cut and ready to go. Today Mr. C did some welding on the A frame. He didn't want to get too carried away until he picks up the rails tomorrow.
We have done a lot of measuring and re-measuring. We need to place an order for gray tanks and steps before we get too far along. We are also working on placement of the spare tire and a box on the back to hold jacks, hoses, etc.
Nancy
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08-09-2014, 06:38 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Frame Construction
At last we were able to get to some welding today. Mr. C started tack welding from back to front. Once we got to the A frame we needed to cut the cross members. These were tack welded and then fully welded. Unfortunately rain showers kept forcing us to pick up. After the 3rd go around of picking everything up we called it a day. The photo shows how we are constructing the new frame on top of the old frame.
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08-12-2014, 06:42 PM
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Trottinon
1962 19' Globetrotter
Maplewood
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 48
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Welding Continues
Mr. C keeps plugging away at the welding. Over the weekend we had a few sprinkles. Monday he took the day off from his paying job and the rain wouldn't stop. We aren't going to complain because we needed the 1/2" of rain we got. It finally cleared off about 2 PM. Some welding and then a flip of the frame. Unfortunately, a few stray black clouds dropped more rain later in the afternoon.
Today the gray tanks and new step arrived. Mr. C welded the bottom of the battery box, and added some support to the outriggers. Next step is drill holes in the frame to connect the to gray tanks. Not sure when we will fit that in.
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