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Old 01-01-2010, 05:48 PM   #211
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I'm sure having fun reading and learning from all these posts. I was in Yreka on Christmas eve. Maybe we can get together the next time I'm in the area.
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Thanks ~ Don really enjoys working on his projects! Besides it keeps him "out of my hair".... Btw, do give us a jingle when in Yreka next time. We offer parking for your Airstream (either out front of our house, which is fine for a night...) or down our long skinny driveway.... Airstream guests are welcome! Depending on where you are going, we are a good 1/2 way point!
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Old 01-01-2010, 06:43 PM   #212
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Thanks ~ Don really enjoys working on his projects! Besides it keeps him "out of my hair".... Btw, do give us a jingle when in Yreka next time. We offer parking for your Airstream (either out front of our house, which is fine for a night...) or down our long skinny driveway.... Airstream guests are welcome! Depending on where you are going, we are a good 1/2 way point!
We make the journey from Yakima WA. to Auburn CA. twice a year to visit my 96 year young Dad. He still drives and lives independently. Our next trip will be in June or early July. We look forward to meeting both of you and seeing the project. I'm just starting on the floor replacement on my 56 FC. I have a long way to go to catch up with Don. As soon as the snow melts, I'll get to work.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:01 AM   #213
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Wally H. Yes on the stop by. Let us know a little ahead of when you might be through this area. The Jordans stopped by on their way to Baja. We are on our way to Baja now also. So no more Flying Cloud work for the month of January. Be careful Airstreams can be an inspiration for spur of the moment events.
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Old 02-10-2010, 12:08 PM   #214
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Claudia and I have started the process of aligning the shell to the new floor. We are currently drilling from the old outer shell through the new "C" channel connected to the floor and placing Clecos. I'll ad some new picture is the next couple of days.
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:14 PM   #215
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Hi NorCal
Can you tell me what size your ladder frame side rails are and the crossmembers.it is hard to tell from the pictures,is the complete frame made from closed tubing or is part of it c channel to save weight? Thanks
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Old 02-22-2010, 08:12 PM   #216
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The main frame rails are 2"x4" and they are an enclosed box. The box is a folded box with a seam at the bottom of the frame. There are two types of cross members a "C" type channel that is 2"x4" the gauge of the steel is much lighter than the main box frame. The other cross members are 2"x2" angle iron. I can mike the thickness if you would like.

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Can you tell me what size your ladder frame side rails are and the crossmembers.it is hard to tell from the pictures,is the complete frame made from closed tubing or is part of it c channel to save weight? Thanks
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Old 02-22-2010, 08:43 PM   #217
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Aligning the shell and floor

Aligning the shell to the floor turned out to be quite a chore. If you have been following this project much, you know that I started out with a trailer that was a shell, almost no floor, OK frame. I bought this trailer because I felt I could do what ever I wanted and no one would complain about my ruining a good trailer. Because the floor was about 90 percent gone, I had no patterns to work from. Once the frame was repaired and painted I began to work at creating some patterns etc. to layout the floor. You all know the old adage measure twice and cut once. I measured and measured and measured and laid out what I hoped would be correct. I installed the plywood on the frame and bolted everything down. My neighbor Tom and my Son Yale helped me lower the shell down onto the floor on two different days. It was obvious that my measuring and pattern making was in the ball bark but not a home run. The biggest problem was the realization that the shell had sagged. The result of this was that the two ends of the shell didn't come in contact with the floor. My basic reaction was, "This is not good". I spent several days jacking corners, jacking the frame, attaching different parts of the shell. Unattaching and unjacking different parts. For a while nothing looked like it was going to work. After much thought and several dreams or night mares on the subject I came to some conclusions. An important note is that no belly pan had been attached. The belly pan would have taken too much flex out of the frame and the floor. Here is what I came up with.
The middle section of the body matched the floor fine. So I need to buy at least 100 more clecos so I could attach the center sections and get that part stable. Then I could work out toward the ends stretching, jacking, and pulling things together. I worked a little toward the back then toward the front. Back and forth adding clecos as I went along. Slowly and things began to align. Finally everything was attached and the trailer fit once more. I have allowed the trailer to sit in this fashion for two weeks. This has allowed the trailer to stabilize. I hope! I plan to check out one section at a time, If all stays put than I'll work on the belly pan for that section. Again working from one end to the other.
The only photo of any of this process is the one shot here of a lot of clecos running down on side of the trailer. Also the back of the trailer had been damaged. The second photo shows how its looking now. The back is matching pretty well.
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One just can't have enough cleco's. Your always 50 short, no matter how many you have.

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Old 02-22-2010, 11:04 PM   #220
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:05 PM   #221
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:44 AM   #222
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You go Don!
I'm certain it's going to come back together under your and Claudias guidance. I'm wondering a couple of things though.
Had you checked the frame for level prior to fitting the shell?
Was the shell hanging or sitting in a way that would contribute to the issue you are having?
I wonder how much these shells maintain their shape if they are sitting on saw horses or hanging from a lift for a long period of time.

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Old 02-23-2010, 08:51 AM   #223
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Viking, yes on the first question. And yes on the second two questions. I had the shell up on saw horses outside for over two years. And the saw horses were on semi-soft ground. In fact one of the horses sank part way into the ground. I had also stored some lumber on the braces on the inside of the trailer to keep the wood out of the rain and snow. Were these bad ideas? You bet ya! The great thing about retrospect is we can learn from it.

Thanks also for the good words.
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You go Don!
I'm certain it's going to come back together under your and Claudias guidance. I'm wondering a couple of things though.
Had you checked the frame for level prior to fitting the shell?
Was the shell hanging or sitting in a way that would contribute to the issue you are having?
I wonder how much these shells maintain their shape if they are sitting on saw horses or hanging from a lift for a long period of time.

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Old 02-23-2010, 09:03 AM   #224
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Aligning the shell to the floor turned out to be quite a chore. If you have been following this project much, you know that I started out with a trailer that was a shell, almost no floor, OK frame. I bought this trailer because I felt I could do what ever I wanted and no one would complain about my ruining a good trailer. Because the floor was about 90 percent gone, I had no patterns to work from. Once the frame was repaired and painted I began to work at creating some patterns etc. to layout the floor. You all know the old adage measure twice and cut once. I measured and measured and measured and laid out what I hoped would be correct. I installed the plywood on the frame and bolted everything down. My neighbor Tom and my Son Yale helped me lower the shell down onto the floor on two different days. It was obvious that my measuring and pattern making was in the ball bark but not a home run. The biggest problem was the realization that the shell had sagged. The result of this was that the two ends of the shell didn't come in contact with the floor. My basic reaction was, "This is not good". I spent several days jacking corners, jacking the frame, attaching different parts of the shell. Unattaching and unjacking different parts. For a while nothing looked like it was going to work. After much thought and several dreams or night mares on the subject I came to some conclusions. An important note is that no belly pan had been attached. The belly pan would have taken too much flex out of the frame and the floor. Here is what I came up with.
The middle section of the body matched the floor fine. So I need to buy at least 100 more clecos so I could attach the center sections and get that part stable. Then I could work out toward the ends stretching, jacking, and pulling things together. I worked a little toward the back then toward the front. Back and forth adding clecos as I went along. Slowly and things began to align. Finally everything was attached and the trailer fit once more. I have allowed the trailer to sit in this fashion for two weeks. This has allowed the trailer to stabilize. I hope! I plan to check out one section at a time, If all stays put than I'll work on the belly pan for that section. Again working from one end to the other.
The only photo of any of this process is the one shot here of a lot of clecos running down on side of the trailer. Also the back of the trailer had been damaged. The second photo shows how its looking now. The back is matching pretty well.
Don
Having many of these same problems myself right now. Replaced floor and bolted down c-channel. When I get the shell lined up with existing holes in c-channel, it seems that one side of skin is buckled slightly. Fooled with it all day yesterday ...
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