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Old 08-24-2012, 09:48 PM   #57
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Yes, I am still alive. I am just in our really busy season and have not had the time Monty deserves. To answer the frame question for you...

I don't know what years they actually switched from 5" rails back to 4" but this is what I do know. I also own a 1997 34' Limited "Norman Rockwell" edition (we named that trailer Norman). The floor is real plywood and the frame is 5" again. I triple checked Norman since my education with Monty. My parents have a 1995 Excella 28'. I am pretty sure it also has a 5" frame (not that sure though) and a real plywood floor. The genius at the factory during the 80's through the early '90's that thought OSB was great, should be kicked in the shins at least twice.

I also know that they thought using fewer rivets was a great idea as well. I am not sure how the 1991 compares to our 1997, but there is definitely less rivets, probably half as many when compared to Monty. The '91 34' I saw at a show had ripped the aluminum above the door from flexing. From what I saw, a '91 (or any year that had the same frame for 34') would be a very, very, poor choice to buy at any price.

I should have more time soon for Monty and for updates for those who are keeping tabs on me.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:07 PM   #58
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Landscraper,
Thanks for the update. I don't know when Airstream might have reverted to a 4" frame, but my 1991 has a 5" X 2" frame with about a 1/16 wall thickness (see pictures here http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...ml#post1172246). There are a lot of flaws in the way the shell was riveted together, but I suspect that it has about the same rivet count as "Monty".

What's the rivet count, spacing, etc. on your WB, "Norman", versus "Monty"?

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Old 08-25-2012, 12:25 AM   #59
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Monty is an '85 while Norman is an '97. The 85, as you may know, is exactly the same as most of the trailers out of the 70's. We have a 79 31' right next to Monty and they are extremly similar. The main difference is up front in the living room. The rivet count on Monty will be the same as any 1970's trailer. Norman, however is like the new ones I've seen with very few on the ribs, with more on the seams. I will measure this weekend.

In regards to your 5" frame. I'm not sure what to say except that the trailer we saw, and had a lengthy conversation with owner about, definitely had a 4" frame. It was a 34' wide body. I am pretty sure he said a 1991. I honestly was in disbelief about it, but it was only 4". His trailer was the front kitchen layout, if that had anything to do with it. He was a serious expert about towing and did not have too heavy of a TV, but still had stress cracks in numerous locations. From what the owner said, is that AS only cheapened them up for a short time, then went back to a 5".
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:40 AM   #60
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That's odd. Our '91 also has a heavy 5" tube frame. The '77 29' we had was a 5" frame. Our '63 26' is a 4" structural channel.

I do know that a '91 shoud not be a wide body, that didn't start until a few years later.

Perhaps the 4" frame was an odd ball?

Back on subject - keep up the good work!
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:19 PM   #61
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Perhaps the year was 94? I cant remember. But it was a new wide body for sure. The owner had to take it back to the factory numerous times.

When we first saw Norman, I was expecting OSB but was surprised it didn't. Monty and Norman both have 5" tube frames on the tongue and c channel on the sides while the 1979 center bath which is virtually identical to Monty except only shorter, is a 4" tube tongue. Also the 1979, the 1995 and the 1997 have real plywood floors. I hope this might help.
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Landscraper,
Thanks for the feedback. My trailer is virtually identical to Vernon's (standard width, same floor plan, he's got an Excella while mine is the Limited).

Thanks for the writeup thus far. I'm subscribed and will be following your good progress!

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