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05-08-2011, 08:29 AM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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1972 31' Sovereign frame drawings
Anyone out there have a set of drawings for the frame in a 1972 31' Sovereign? Any idea where I can get them?
Are any of you building new frames rather than repairing the rusted originals?
Thanks..
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05-08-2011, 09:00 AM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Thanks Top - would the 1974 31' Excella 500 frame be the same as mine?
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05-08-2011, 09:05 AM
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Always learning
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,881
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As far as I know, yes. Maybe a few slight differences with the Excella having a few extras like a generator and hose reels. Most people just make an exact copy of their old frame after they remove the shell from the floor/chassis.
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05-08-2011, 09:21 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Basically the frame are the same for all 31fters in or around the same year. The crossmember locations will be different depending on if your's is a rear or center bath.
74's and up have grey water tanks which will again affect crossmember location.
Daniel and I both have centerbath models with grey tanks so our frames will be a little different than your 1972 31fter.
I do have a pictoral in my sevice manual but it doesn't give any dimensions. I could scan it and post it for you here if you like.
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05-08-2011, 10:20 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,982
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Darkspeed,
I made this drawing of Little Girl's frame. Does that help? It's to scale, and fairly accurate (to within 1/4" I'd say). Close enough for what I needed it for. I could add other dimensions on it if you need them.
Chris
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05-08-2011, 08:55 PM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Thanks guys thats a big help!
I go tomorrow to see her for the first time and assess the frame rot.
I have already psyched myself up to build a new frame from scratch, so my goal is to keep her in one piece long enough to get her home.
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05-09-2011, 05:38 AM
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New Member
Join Date: May 2005
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75 Excella
Good Morning All.
We have a 75 Excella, 90% original interior. It has been sitting for a couple of years in the driveway, and this spring we are going to start on the restoration. The floors are very spongy, so I really want to replace the plywood. I am not sweating the actual work involved, just the proper way to do it. A few years ago, I found a website that had pictures of a similar job, showing how to remove the body, which rivets to drill out, and sequence of steps needed. I have been poking around, but I can't find that site anymore. If someone could post some info on what needs to happen, or links to any personnel sites showing body-off repairs, I would really appreciate it. I will of course keep searching these forums sites for info.
Thanks!
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05-09-2011, 06:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 75xla
Good Morning All.
We have a 75 Excella, 90% original interior. It has been sitting for a couple of years in the driveway, and this spring we are going to start on the restoration. The floors are very spongy, so I really want to replace the plywood. I am not sweating the actual work involved, just the proper way to do it. A few years ago, I found a website that had pictures of a similar job, showing how to remove the body, which rivets to drill out, and sequence of steps needed. I have been poking around, but I can't find that site anymore. If someone could post some info on what needs to happen, or links to any personnel sites showing body-off repairs, I would really appreciate it. I will of course keep searching these forums sites for info.
Thanks!
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Hello and welcome to the forums. I have a 73 excella which I am doing a full shell off restoration. Here is the link to the thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f261...tml#post892275
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05-09-2011, 10:51 PM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Any disadvantage to using a taller frame rail section and higher load axles when building a new frame - besides the issue of extending the banana wrap.
I was thinking of making room for two low center of gravity battery boxes to go with a solar array.
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05-26-2011, 09:02 PM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Minno
Darkspeed,
I made this drawing of Little Girl's frame. Does that help? It's to scale, and fairly accurate (to within 1/4" I'd say). Close enough for what I needed it for. I could add other dimensions on it if you need them.
Chris
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Chris, what is the "Spline" shown in your drawings near the wheel well?
Thanks...
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05-26-2011, 09:13 PM
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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Here's a copy of the 1974 Service Manual exploded view of the chassis and related parts, along with the page giving the descriptions.
I doubt if there is much difference between your '72 and this. The only exception I know of is that your unit has no gray tank.
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05-27-2011, 07:34 AM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Thanks Aage,
I received my two eBay books on mini cd last week and they have been a big help. I was trying to figure out what he was calling a spline as I did not see any corresponding structure on the factory drawings in the books.
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05-27-2011, 07:38 AM
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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I don't know what a "spline" is either, so if you found out, please tell us? But it you didn't, might be the time to ask...
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05-27-2011, 10:53 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,982
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aage
I don't know what a "spline" is either, so if you found out, please tell us? But it you didn't, might be the time to ask...
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The Spline is the 4" wide piece of 3/4" plywood glued and screwed underneath the seams of the plywood floor. They are item 22 on the diagram Aage posted. I marked them on the drawing for a couple of reasons:
Those frame cross members are 3/4" lower than the other ones to accommodate the splines.
They mark where the seams in the plywood floor are.
I wanted to remember where they were when I was planning out gray tank locations since they are wider than the frame cross members.
Chris
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05-27-2011, 01:04 PM
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Aluminum Falcon Mechanic
1972 31' Sovereign
Wesley chapel
, Florida
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,169
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Ahh ok got it
Thanks
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05-27-2011, 02:47 PM
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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Thanks, Chris!
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07-16-2020, 10:52 AM
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New Member
1968 28' Ambassador
Brownsville
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 4
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I saw a post where there was a pdf file of "little girl frame" and was wondering if you have the cad file and willing to share? I have autocad 2019 and able to modify to my 1968 Land Yacht Ambassador. I currently have the trailer at the shop getting the axels replaced and I know we have to do some reframing if not the whole frame. Thank you in advance, here is my e-mail just in case. roman.hernandez.jr@gmail.com
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07-16-2020, 10:54 AM
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New Member
1968 28' Ambassador
Brownsville
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 4
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Help,
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minno
Darkspeed,
I made this drawing of Little Girl's frame. Does that help? It's to scale, and fairly accurate (to within 1/4" I'd say). Close enough for what I needed it for. I could add other dimensions on it if you need them.
Chris
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I saw this pdf file of "little girl frame" and was wondering if you have the cad file and willing to share? I have autocad 2019 and able to modify to my 1968 Land Yacht Ambassador. I currently have the trailer at the shop getting the axels replaced and I know we have to do some reframing if not the whole frame. Thank you in advance, here is my e-mail just in case. roman.hernandez.jr@gmail.com
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07-17-2020, 08:49 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,982
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roman
I saw this pdf file of "little girl frame" and was wondering if you have the cad file and willing to share? I have autocad 2019 and able to modify to my 1968 Land Yacht Ambassador. I currently have the trailer at the shop getting the axels replaced and I know we have to do some reframing if not the whole frame. Thank you in advance, here is my e-mail just in case. roman.hernandez.jr@gmail.com
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I made the original file in Visio 2007, so not a cad file. Sorry.
Chris
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