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Old 03-28-2006, 01:49 PM   #155
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Frame looks good. Nice and straight, at least from the angle we're looking at. Good work.
Thanks! It's been slow-going lately, but the progress is finally visible. I'm over the hump; it's all re-assembly from here on out.
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Old 04-03-2006, 01:02 AM   #156
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Went down to the metal place this weekend and bought a very thick sheet of aluminum to put underneath the 1.5" plywood that will be holding my holding tanks in place. I think it's over 1/8" thick... a 48"x96" sheet, I paid $54 for it. How does that price stack up to the sheets of aluminum people have used for their belly pans? Just curious because I want to replace the belly pan metal. So then I used some adhesive/sealant to attach the aluminum plate to the plywood, placed it into the holder I built for it, sealed it into place, and used like 20 1"x1/4" self-tapping bolts to hold everything in place. I put some sides into the tank holding box as well; everything's been treated with POR-15 to keep the wood dry inside, etc, etc.

Next step is plumbing. What do most people use for black and gray drain pipes and vent pipes? I was thinking about 1.5" ABS for vent and gray water drains into the holding tank. 3" ABS for the drain into the black water tank. Sound good?

I removed the old "battery box" from the front of the hitch. It was more like some bent tubes, it doesn't really look original. I'm going to fabricate a new battery box to house two RV/marine batteries once I get the body back on. I touched up the POR-15 in that area after the grinding.

Now I'm thinking about pulling the axles off so I can properly clean them up and paint them. However, I'm curious about how that all works as I haven't pulled off leaf-spring axles before. Are the spring leaves "sprung" or are they naturally curved like that? I'm just curious if there are any special tools or safety precautions I should take before removing those bolts....
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Which metal place did you get your aluminum from? I hope it was Capital Metals as they have the best selection in town. Your plumbing pipe sizes sounds right. That battery rigging thing on the front was just palin wierd. Bet you're glad to see that go. If you take the tires and rims off the frame, wouldn't it be easier to just turn the frame over, rather than taking the leaf springs and axles off? Just a thought? You're making great progress.

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Old 04-03-2006, 06:21 PM   #158
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Which metal place did you get your aluminum from? I hope it was Capital Metals as they have the best selection in town. Your plumbing pipe sizes sounds right. That battery rigging thing on the front was just palin wierd. Bet you're glad to see that go. If you take the tires and rims off the frame, wouldn't it be easier to just turn the frame over, rather than taking the leaf springs and axles off? Just a thought? You're making great progress.

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I get my metal at Davis Salvage, down on 32nd st and Washington. They have great prices there and an amazing selection, as well. However, they are not at all helpful and you're pretty much on your own in terms of customer service. It seems that they cater more to the commercial customers who know exactly what they need.

I think I may end up turning the frame over after removing the axles in order to do the belly pan, actually... it should make that task a lot easier. However, I'm still going to need to remove the axles so that I can un-shackle them from the leaf springs in order to get in there and really get rid of all the old grime and scaling and rust and get them clean and shiney.

Your description hit the nail on the head in regards to that thing on the hitch... I'm very happy to see the hitch nice and clean now!

Thanks again for the encouragement...
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If you haven't been, you owe it to yourself and your '58 to go check out Capital Metals. Their showroom is impeccable and the warehouse is about two to three football fields in size. Very helpful and knowledgeable staff who got a kick out of my restoring a vintage Airstream.

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Old 04-04-2006, 03:20 PM   #160
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Even more thoughts on A/C

Well, I kind of feel like an idiot. For some reason I thought there were two-way Air Conditioners out there, like the refirgerators, that run on propane as well as 120v electric. And I found out, rather abruptly, from a very informative yet gruff man on the phone at an RV supply place that there are indeed no such things as two-way air conditioners. The guy I spoke to was the owner of ADV RV (advrv.com) and was actually very helpful.

So anyhow... I swore I would not put a roof-top unit on my trailer, but I did recently come across a Carrier unit that is only 7.5" tall, 28.5" wide and 42" long. It's a 15,000 BTU unit which should be plenty of cooling for my trailer. Painted properly, at that size I don't even think it would be noticeable on the roof. I do like the idea of saving interior space and not worrying about whether the air coming out from under the bed will properly cool the trailer or not. But on the down-side, I have a mid-bath trailer and even with the low-profile cieling package, I will have to alter the bathroom wall to accomodate the cieling portion of the A/C. I'm going to have to take some measurements to see if this is what I want to do. One of the interesting features of this particular unit, by the way, is that it has a "slinger" and doesn't need a drain line installed. It barely drips any water at all except in extremely humid conditions, and in those cases the excess water runs down the trailer side.

advrv.com also sells the dometic duo-therm basement units. The 15,000 BTU model is 26 1/4"W x 16 1/4"H x 19 1/2"D and weighs 102lbs. This would have to go under the rear bed... but I'm concerned about the amount of heat it's going to throw up to the bottom of my bed (even with insulation) and the noise it's going to make, not to mention to additional weight to the rear of the trailer.

Then there's also the option, like previously discussed, of using a portable or window-mount A/C unit, also placed under the rear bed. I'm still a little concerned about the weight, heat and noise, though...

The two RV-specific units are similarly priced, coming in right around $900 when all is said and done. I'm not sure if better prices are available elsewhere. Modifying a portable or window-mount A/C unit would be quite a bit less money.

The thing is, I'm going to have the body back on soon, and it's starting to get very hot here. There's no way I'm going to spend the summer in the trailer re-wiring it and insulating it in 110 weather without A/C....
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Ankornuta ~

I'm not sure if you remember seeing the AC on the roof of mine but I got the Penguin Low Profile unit and I have been very pleased with its performance. Its really not all that noticeable and it certainly cools the insides during the relentless summer heat. It even has a heat strip.

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I'm not sure if you remember seeing the AC on the roof of mine but I got the Penguin Low Profile unit and I have been very pleased with its performance. Its really not all that noticeable and it certainly cools the insides during the relentless summer heat. It even has a heat strip.

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Actually, come to think of it, I don't recall noticing the A/C on your trailer... which is a good thing!

I'm kind of tempted - if I put a rooftop unit on - to build a galvanized box up around it and make it look truly '50's...
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Power Systems

I've been starting to give more and more thought to the electrical and propane systems lately, as they're going to be the next big milestone in this project, after getting the body back on.

I've been looking at getting a true-sine inverter w/ three-stage charger. I've also been looking at some "golf-cart" batteries, or possibly L-16 deep cycle batteries. Has anyone installed anything more than a 12v system in their trailer? I've heard there are some gained efficiencies by going with a 24 volt battery system, but I wonder if the cost is really worth it...

Before I pick an inverter and battery bank, however, I need to know how much electrical power I will need. I also need to know how much propane I want to carry with me. I've started by making a list of powered items that will be built into the trailer, and what their source(s) of power is(are). The next step of course is to determine their rate of consumption.

Item____________Propane______12vDC______110vAC
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Refrigerator_______X_______________________X
Water Heater_____X_______________________X
Water Pump___________________X____________
Toilet______________________________________
Fan, bedroom__________________X____________
Fan, stove____________________X_____________
A/C_____________________________________X
Flourescent lights______________X_____________
Outside light__________________X______________
Interior outlets____________________________X (output power)
Exterior outlets____________________________X (output power)
Hall lights_____________________X___________X
Sconces_____________________X_______________
Bathroom light________________X________________
under-shelf lights______________X_______________
running lights_________________X________________
furnace___________X___________________________
stove_____________X__________________________
oven_____________X___________________________


If anyone knows the rates of consumption for any of these items, or has gone through this exercise already, your help would be very appreciated
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Finalizing the plumbing

I went to the RV store today because my gray tank came in. The ABS tank I got originally didn't quite meet my specs, so I exchanged it for a much slimmer polyethelene tank, only 5" tall. It's a 39 gallon tank.

Then on the way home, I stopped by Home Depot and was separated from another wad of cash, yet again... this project is expensive and only getting more expensive! I picked up everything I need to finish the waste water plumbing, including some r-30 insulation for the holding tanks. I also got some conduit to house the electrical lines for the trailer's brakes. I think they were too exposed previously, especially if there was a blow out or if I run over some debris.

This weekend I'll finish the plumbing, including the connections for the black and gray tank flushing systems. I'm considering adding a gray tank transfer mechanism, so I can pump contents of the gray tank into the black tank for expanded storage... but I'm not sure if this is really necessary in my case, since my black tank is only like 14.6 gallons.

I think I might plumb in an expansion tank for the fresh water system (not yet plumbed at all) this weekend as well because I want to locate it in the same area as the waste tanks and it's going to be tough to get in there once the floor's on. I'm getting antsy to put the floor on...
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I've been starting to give more and more thought to the electrical and propane systems lately, as they're going to be the next big milestone in this project, after getting the body back on.

I've been looking at getting a true-sine inverter w/ three-stage charger. I've also been looking at some "golf-cart" batteries, or possibly L-16 deep cycle batteries. Has anyone installed anything more than a 12v system in their trailer? I've heard there are some gained efficiencies by going with a 24 volt battery system, but I wonder if the cost is really worth it...

Before I pick an inverter and battery bank, however, I need to know how much electrical power I will need. I also need to know how much propane I want to carry with me. I've started by making a list of powered items that will be built into the trailer, and what their source(s) of power is(are). The next step of course is to determine their rate of consumption.

Item____________Propane______12vDC______110vAC
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Refrigerator_______X_______________________X
Water Heater_____X_______________________X
Water Pump___________________X____________
Toilet______________________________________
Fan, bedroom__________________X____________
Fan, stove____________________X_____________
A/C_____________________________________X
Flourescent lights______________X_____________
Outside light__________________X______________
Interior outlets____________________________X (output power)
Exterior outlets____________________________X (output power)
Hall lights_____________________X___________X
Sconces_____________________X_______________
Bathroom light________________X________________
under-shelf lights______________X_______________
running lights_________________X________________
furnace___________X___________________________
stove_____________X__________________________
oven_____________X___________________________


If anyone knows the rates of consumption for any of these items, or has gone through this exercise already, your help would be very appreciated
My layout is similar. Here's what I chose:

Intellipower 60A converter/charger with charge wizard for all 12V needs. Also, 2 group 42 (?) 12V batteries.
12 circuit 120A fuse block. used 9 circuits for varying things, much like what you have listed.
30A electrical service, with 4 breakers. 30A incoming, 20A A/C circuit, 2 ea. 15A outlet circuits, streetside and curbside, respectively.
2 30lb propane bottles.

we've had enough for everything for a week's worth of camping without hookups, basically. Your mileage may and will vary....
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Then on the way home, I stopped by Home Depot and was separated from another wad of cash, yet again... this project is expensive and only getting more expensive!
Ever heard the "tip of the iceberg" saying? That's where you're at.
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Ever heard the "tip of the iceberg" saying? That's where you're at.
Oh man... don't I know it. I recently made a list of pretty much everything that I need to buy to finish this project. It's in the thousands of dollars; somewhere around $6k-ish.

It's funny because when I first started out (knowing pretty much nothing about what I was getting into) I guesstimated that I would spend "around $2k when all is said and done". Ha! I have to laugh to keep from crying...
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My layout is similar. Here's what I chose:

Intellipower 60A converter/charger with charge wizard for all 12V needs. Also, 2 group 42 (?) 12V batteries.
12 circuit 120A fuse block. used 9 circuits for varying things, much like what you have listed.
30A electrical service, with 4 breakers. 30A incoming, 20A A/C circuit, 2 ea. 15A outlet circuits, streetside and curbside, respectively.
2 30lb propane bottles.

we've had enough for everything for a week's worth of camping without hookups, basically. Your mileage may and will vary....
Cool... this is great info. Out of curiousity, do you know what the amp/hour rating is for your batteries?

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