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Old 08-01-2019, 05:14 PM   #15
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Hey everyone thanks for all the replies.
No i have not jumped up and down on that bumper. Im too affraid it will rip off!
Yes this does look like it will be a full blown off shell rebuild, which is fine with me. Just not yet. Getting another trailer in better shape is not an option, mainly because time and the sport is just fine for us. We'll rip everything off, rebuild what we need and patch up whatbwe dont, i.e. the bathroom and use it as it.
Question. Anyone know, or can point me in the right direction, of how to remove the belly pan?
I would like to take this off and maybe get a better idea of how things look from underneath.
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Old 08-01-2019, 05:28 PM   #16
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Drill out the lower trim rivets with an 1/8” bit, then start drilling out the belly pan rivets. A creeper, eye protection, dust mask and a more bits than you think you need are must haves. Label the back of everything even if just for template making.

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Old 08-02-2019, 09:01 AM   #17
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Yes, 1/8" diameter rivets, sorry for the mis-type.

Ok, so it does appear your trailer is in serious need of TLC and a major project. This is not the end of the world, but the start of a great adventure, should you feel up to it.

Knowing this beforehand should help in your decisions, how much to do now, how much to wait until the house is done. Realize that whatever you do now to make the trailer livable might have to be taken out or redone once you get to tackling the shell-off.

As long as the shell offers dry shelter, you might be able to make it work for you in the short term.

I would encourage you to use this forum and especially read threads from those who have gone down this same road, like this one, to cite just one of dozens...
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f174...-182621-2.html
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:36 PM   #18
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Again, thanks for all the comments.
I continue reading and reading and learning alot.
I knew the amount of work that i would be putting into this project was a lot, i just wasn't sure what it would be. So i am not surprised when ppl tell me its a huge undertaking. That i knew going into it.
Yes, i do realize that by putting off a full shell of rebuild, anything that goes in for now will have to come out. We are designing and planning with this.in mind.
So the plan for now is:
- Take everything out front to back.
- Take detailed notes of the condition of the floor and frame.
- Inspect electrical and replace outlets as needed
- Fix or patch what we can at this point.
- Strip all vinyl (maybe, still looking into how to protect the exposed aluminum)
- Start putting what we can save back in.
- We will try and save both end closets
- The twin bed assembly and shelves on the driver side
- The pantry and refrigerator cabinets
- Install a new 3way refrigerator if we can't fix existing Dometic unit
- try and build a new couch area in the front using the existing frame
- Do not need a kitchen or oven, so that whole area will not be installed
- Build a new desk area where the second twin section goes
- All windows fans and general plastic reseal and restore

So a big list for now, will probably grow as we start going thru it.
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:00 PM   #19
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Ok then, finally got a chance to start working on this trailer. First thing to go was the butt ugly carpet and the oven, which seems to have never been used. Also took some time to take everything that was loose out of the trailer. It didn't take too long, but it was late in the evening when i started and didn't feel like continuing in the dark.
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:04 PM   #20
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Also, not sure if the stains on the wood subfloor is from water damage or from the crappy sublayer that they used for the carpet. Any thoughts?
Also, the last two pictures are from the bathroom floor. Notice how the floor seems to end right before it goes into the coubter???Click image for larger version

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Old 08-13-2019, 03:18 PM   #21
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So on a different matter, lets talk about electrical wires, and their reliability vs. peace of mind.
I found places where the aires come out and connect to outlets and lights and noticed some browning around the areas. Something of a concern?
Also, can someone tell me what the heck is up with the last pic? That outlet is located behind the curbside wheel well.Click image for larger version

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Old 08-14-2019, 07:02 AM   #22
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The stains certainly look like they are from water leaks. Looks like water pooled up at the tack strips.

The dark spots around the bushings are probably just stains from the rubber getting old and reacting with the plastic covering on the walls. I don’t believe that electricity caused that.

That last pic, assuming it’s upside down, looks like the rear side of the exterior outlet. On mine, it’s about there and inset pretty deep to sit in it’s housing.

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Old 08-15-2019, 06:24 PM   #23
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Awning question.
Somehow i am thinking that this awning is not original to the trailer, otherwise, why put it over a window Click image for larger version

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Old 08-16-2019, 04:45 AM   #24
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That’s a shame... and annoying. Also, the “form fit” leaves much to be desired.

Did you figure out what the outlet was in your previous post?

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Old 08-16-2019, 09:26 AM   #25
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My '69 has an outlet by the wheel well used to supply the fridge with electricity.
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Old 08-16-2019, 09:31 AM   #26
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but you need to focus on your main house that your building. Not sure what you paid for it, but it appears that to be made reasonably serviceable will be pricey, and for what, an AS that is just like the thousands already out there. You would be better off dumping this one and paying a bit more for a unit in better shape. If you don't have much do it yourself experience, it will be pricey to go where you want to go, even with experience, surprises abound with older AS tts!! We got lucky with a late-80s unit and luck plays a part in it as well. Hope it works out for you!!
Regards, Jim and Gretchen
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:06 PM   #27
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Hello everyone, sorry for the lack of updates, been a bit busy with work and the trailer.
I am still not sure what that outlet is there for, seems like it was placed there so that u could access it from a compartment door on the outside. Weird.
I've bought the service manual so i will look it up and see whats up.
Yes i know i should concentrate on the house, but... plans are submited and everyone is telling us to sit tight, it will be anywhere between 6 months to a year before they get approved...
Sooo, seems like i have some time to kill.
I am sure this will take a lot, i do have eyes and they don't lie. But i am also faily sure that i can have it stripped/rebuilt to how i need it and sealed properly for not much of a hassle. This is NOT my primary camping trailer, i have a 2018 22' Sport for that.
Consider this old Ambassador an extended living room. A place to relax, watch tv, and have the dogs in winter. Hence the whole sealing up nice and tight.
And so, some progress pics
The floor definitely shows signs of leaks, and after noticing that my roof vents are cracked and or non existing, i am not surprised. But i don't see anything too bad.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:10 PM   #28
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Next up will be the rear curb closet followed by the bathroom. At which point i will stop and evaluate as much as i can. Also, take some time to clean up the exterior and seal up all windows and vents. Afterwards it'll be time to test all circuits and appliances and see what works, what can be fixed, and what will need to be replaced.
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