Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-09-2011, 05:52 PM   #113
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,598
Images: 1
(Some time to kill while BBQ smokes, the sprinkler travels, and NPR features the Chicago Lyric Opera this Sat p.m. 93F and a breeze in the shade.)

The following is my take on what the above weights "reveal", and were I contemplating this TV & TT combination for my own use. Having some fun thinking out loud, in other words.

I think that fully I-S vehicles are the TV of choice. Especially with a turbodiesel.

2002 SR5 2WD TOYOTA SEQUOIA
4-Whl Disc plus fully I-S [?]
118" Wheelbase

5070 Ship weight
6500 GVWR
1430 Payload

Max TW 650
Max TT 6500
GCWR 11,800

The GCWR will be "over" a few hundred pounds once some proper WD takes place. Any info out there in TOY enthusiast land about axle ratings? (beyond published ratings)

I can make, and have, the weight police argument; I have also made a living behind the wheel of a Dodge 1T pulling an 8k trailer with 16k on top of it, a truck with 300k+ miles on it. So, IMO, it behooves us to work "the formula" first, and see how things are and continue experimentation. With a few thousand miles you know have an idea of how it feels (and perhaps have taken temp readings of hubs/tires; or, have a TPMS to tell you). One is on one's own, but I think that the rig here is close enough to satisfy just about everyone.

Squat may be unavoidable no matter how the hitch rigging works out, thus:

Seq Load Level (click all links)

The hitch may not be up to the task:

Can Am welded reinforcing bars to the OEM TOYOTA hitch to take out hitch flex.

" . . Factory hitches are "on the light side," says Andy Thomson at Can Am RV, a Canadian RV specialty outfit. "A lot of hitches are made to ship cheaply and bolt on easily," he says, so they make towing capacity a secondary priority. "We think about 5-percent of the trailers on the road today are really hitched up well," he estimates. According to him, when a tow vehicle, car, or truck does not tow well, it's not always the fault of the vehicle.

"People assume it's the vehicle, but more often, it's the hitch. A lot of crossover SUVs are really very good tow vehicles. They have independent suspensions, which gives them a wider stance for stability and, with a unibody, a lower center of gravity.

At Can Am, custom hitches are designed to spread loads over a much longer distance, moving the load toward the center of the vehicle. Careful attention is paid to the distance the hitch ball is from the vehicle, so that unwanted leverage is kept to a minimum.

"It's not so much the weight of the trailer," Thomson tells us. "The weight really only matters on hills and acceleration."

Limiting factors? "Ninety percent of the time it's aerodynamic drag," Thomson says, adding that even slightly taller trailers can be much harder to tow at highway speeds."
(From RVMag)

(The aero aluminum trailer advantage: better FE, and maybe some leeway on what constitutes a "limit").

It's possible that a factory hitch may torque over and not leverage the weight. I'm unhappy with my factory Dodge piece.



The reasons for restoration of front axle load:

J2807


From the 2011 Toyota Tundra manual:

"If using a weight distribution hitch when towing, return the front axle to the same weight as before the trailer connection.

If front axle weight cannot be measured directly, measure the front fender height above the front axle before connection.

Adjust weight distribution hitch torque until front fender is returned to the same height as before connection.

Do not reduce front fender height below original measurement."

That's a start. I'm not aware of other TOYOTA published information. A CAT certified scale is next.


Visited-Cat-Scales-the-numbers-are-in . . . .


Here's a recent woodalls.net post featuring the inimitable "Ron Gratz" on WDH for a toyhauler. A few pounds here, a few pounds there and . . . .


These two constitute "consensus" these days, overall (with other examples applicable): 75-25 where the Steer Axle remains as per unhitched, and the TW is distributed by the above percentage to Drive -Trailer Axles (assuming a pickup or other live axle heavy payload TV.


I'm thinking that Andy Thomson's guidelines on setting WDH for I-S vehicles may be closer to the old 1/3-1/3-1/3 rule where the TW is distributed in that pattern to Steer Axle - Drive Axle - TT Axle[s]; and, and Inland Andy reminds us, that of the weight forward onto the TV the discrepancy between FF/RR is no more than about 10% and favoring the Drive Axle. I do know that ratings of power, braking force, etc, are measured wheel-by-wheel.

The "argument" at this point will have to do with loading the Steer Axle to higher than empty weight (as per above letter to editor). But J2807 has holes like a sieve.

Were this combination mine, I'd consult with Can Am. This platform is one that is bound to have been set up by them a number of times. With a 118" wheelbase I also think that a PRO PRIDE is an easy, cheap addition. The weights, alone, make it well worthwhile. There's a canyon between a sway-resisting and a sway-eliminating WDH's

A full set of empty and loaded scale readings for both TT and TV are needed. About eight [8] all told.


.
__________________

__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2011, 01:39 AM   #114
Top
Always learning
 
Top's Avatar
 
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central , Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,779
Images: 24
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Yahoo to Top
Just pulled up in front of the house. 2,626 miles. Pictures to follow soon.

Rednax,
Thanks so very much for the very informative post! It will take me a while to fully digest all of that, for sure. I think I might borrow some digital platform scales and do some weight distribution adjustments.
__________________

__________________
Lance

Work is never done, so take time to play!
Top is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2011, 09:42 PM   #115
Rivet Master
 
bwoodtx's Avatar
 
1997 30' Excella
1961 26' Overlander
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1981 28' Airstream 280
San Antonio , Texas
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,365
[QUOTE=Top;1015344]
I found the aliens. They were at Wallmart.

I found Aliens as well while in NM
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG00049-20110711-1318.jpg
Views:	90
Size:	233.0 KB
ID:	134561  
__________________
Bruce
WBCCI# 9259 AIR# 38927 TAC-TX 14
Stop Littering-Spay & Neuter-- Adopt From Rescue
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
bwoodtx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2011, 10:16 PM   #116
2 Rivet Member
 
Baseman's Avatar
 
1974 25' Tradewind
Ponchatoula , Louisiana
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 76
A truly awesome trip Lance! You have many happy miles ahead, I'm sure!
__________________
Baseman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2011, 06:25 PM   #117
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,598
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Top View Post
Just pulled up in front of the house. 2,626 miles. Pictures to follow soon.

Rednax,
Thanks so very much for the very informative post! It will take me a while to fully digest all of that, for sure. I think I might borrow some digital platform scales and do some weight distribution adjustments.
Should have put all that in a PM. But you're quite welcome. Here's the rest. Your rig will be "outside" the official numbers. But it can be dialed in, and quite well, IMO.

New-trailer-for-sequoia/

Hitch Description

Sequoia plus PP Hitch

Can Am: How to Set Up WDH

Emergency Maneuvers

WDH the Old Way


CAT Scale: Exit 304 IH35, Temple

.
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2011, 07:46 PM   #118
Top
Always learning
 
Top's Avatar
 
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central , Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,779
Images: 24
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Yahoo to Top
Thanks Thanks Thanks

Bruce! Nice Alien!

Thanks Baseman! I have started a new "travel" thread.

Home Sweet Abby

Rednax,
Wow! Thanks for all that great information to read. I guess as long as there are people towing 'Streams with VW Jettas, I won't be ridiculed too much!
__________________
Lance

Work is never done, so take time to play!
Top is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 09:42 AM   #119
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,598
Images: 1
A Can Am Setup.
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 11:29 AM   #120
Rivet Master
 
Trex's Avatar

 
1981 20' International
Shasta Lake City , California
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,113
Blog Entries: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by REDNAX View Post
Should have put all that in a PM. But you're quite welcome. Here's the rest. Your rig will be "outside" the official numbers. But it can be dialed in, and quite well, IMO.

New-trailer-for-sequoia/

Hitch Description

Sequoia plus PP Hitch

Can Am: How to Set Up WDH

Emergency Maneuvers

WDH the Old Way


CAT Scale: Exit 304 IH35, Temple

.

Mr. Red.... thanks for not posting as a PM, I learned some good pointers on "How to set up WDH"... Our last vacation, I had a 18 wheeler pass me going very fast, 70 mph. I was going down hill just north of Carson City. I let off the gas, just as he passed, which caused my trailer to sway...side to side, three or four times. Very scary!

Anyway, It will help me and many others make the right adjustments to our tow vehicles, and hopefully prevent our trailers from swaying, when that speeding Trucker comes flying by. Thanks again for your intel.
__________________
"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, well, he eats you." -the Stranger-

Come and see me at: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f185...-71804-60.html
Trex "Airstream Nomad"
Trex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2011, 06:44 PM   #121
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,598
Images: 1
Mr. Red.... thanks for not posting as a PM, I learned some good pointers on "How to set up WDH"..

You're welcome, sir. If you're truly brave PM me an email address and I'll send along the 40+ pages of notes I've accumulated the past few years in re WDH, trailer brakes, etc.

(Okay, Top, no more).


.
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 08:56 PM   #122
Top
Always learning
 
Top's Avatar
 
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central , Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,779
Images: 24
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Yahoo to Top
More attention for Abby

Hello everyone,
It has been a very long time since I have posted on this thread. I know. I'm slacking. Not really. It seems that the Army has been taking up most of my time lately. But that will only be for a few months. I have submitted my request to retire from the Army effective 1 September 2012. With my accumulated leave (vacation) time, I will be done going to work every day for the Army around the 12th of June! 23 years and three months! I'm pretty excited to say the least!
As for Abby, I have been getting her ready for the wet weather. It has rained only three times since February, so I know eventually, it is going to start pouring down rain and won't stop for months. That is how it seems to be in Texas.
Abby has some leak problems up front. It has a lot to do with a replaced front end cap panel. It was done with Olympic rivets. Olympics are prone to leaking as are all blind rivets. It doesn't help that when the tree that fell on Abby stretched the center panel. So when the smashed segment was replaced there is a big gap between the new panel and the old center panel. Here are some pictures of what she looks like under the rock guard.
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0664.jpg
Views:	114
Size:	258.6 KB
ID:	143818Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0665.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	329.7 KB
ID:	143819
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0666.jpg
Views:	108
Size:	286.1 KB
ID:	143820Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0667.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	390.5 KB
ID:	143821
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0670.jpg
Views:	95
Size:	173.1 KB
ID:	143822Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0671.jpg
Views:	92
Size:	210.4 KB
ID:	143823
I guess I should reiterate to you all how I do not recommend Parbond. Here is what it looks like after eight years.
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0672.jpg
Views:	101
Size:	149.7 KB
ID:	143824
I think that Sikkaflex221, TremPro 636, 3M 560, Sonolastic NP1 are much better products.
I started scraping the old gunk off with a plastic scraper after softening it with a heat gun.
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0668.jpg
Views:	108
Size:	127.9 KB
ID:	143826Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0669.jpg
Views:	107
Size:	164.2 KB
ID:	143827
I then cleaned it up with MEK. The Olympics were not shaved with a proper shaver when the PO replaced this panel. They look kinda rough. I got out my dremel and did my best to shave off the sharp edges as best I could. I managed to get it all cleaned up and one seam sealed before the sun went down and the cold North wind blew in the rain. Hopefully it only rains for a day. I have a rally to get ready for!
__________________
Lance

Work is never done, so take time to play!
Top is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 09:34 PM   #123
Rivet Master
 
desertair27's Avatar

 
1957 22' Caravanner
1960 26' Overlander
1963 24' Tradewind
El Paso , Texas
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 944
Images: 32
Congrats on your retirement.Hopefully you'll find something to keep yourself busy . I have a feeling you've got some plans already. Enjoy!
__________________
desertair27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 11:27 PM   #124
Rivet Master
 
Mr & Mrs S's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Newton , Texas
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 582
Images: 6
Blog Entries: 2
Abby

Sure is good to see Abby back on the front page of the forums getting her attention...
I agree with you on the Olympic rivets, that was were one of my leaks was coming in from on the front of my Airstream. You could look at the rivet from the inside and see daylight, just perfect for letting water in.

Congrats on your retirement. Looking forward to meeting soon.
__________________
MR. & MRS. S
--Streamin & Gleamin--
Airstreamless, but havent lost our passion for them. Currently looking for the next project!
Mr & Mrs S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 11:48 PM   #125
Rivet Master
 
Trex's Avatar

 
1981 20' International
Shasta Lake City , California
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,113
Blog Entries: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Top View Post
Hello everyone,
I then cleaned it up with MEK. The Olympics were not shaved with a proper shaver when the PO replaced this panel. They look kinda rough. I got out my dremel and did my best to shave off the sharp edges as best I could. I managed to get it all cleaned up and one seam sealed before the sun went down and the cold North wind blew in the rain. Hopefully it only rains for a day. I have a rally to get ready for!

Hey TOP... Looks like you have your work "Cut out for you". No place to get her out of the rain? Best of luck my Friend.

Very windy here, for the last three days...thousands of grape leaves in the pool today.

From Cabana Central...

Click image for larger version

Name:	SANY0172.jpg
Views:	94
Size:	348.7 KB
ID:	143843
__________________
"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, well, he eats you." -the Stranger-

Come and see me at: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f185...-71804-60.html
Trex "Airstream Nomad"
Trex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2011, 04:47 PM   #126
Top
Always learning
 
Top's Avatar
 
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central , Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,779
Images: 24
Blog Entries: 2
Send a message via Yahoo to Top
Safe from the rain

Thanks guys! I appreciate the congratulations very much.

Yesterday and today I continued on with the seam sealing. I used Sikaflex 221 on the gaping holes for this seam and covered the top chewed up olympics with Acryl-R.
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0669.jpg
Views:	135
Size:	124.0 KB
ID:	144093Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0670.jpg
Views:	113
Size:	149.0 KB
ID:	144094
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0671.jpg
Views:	114
Size:	110.2 KB
ID:	144095
I cleaned up all the goop and gunk under where the mounting rail for the rock guard attaches. I used a pick to pick the old sealant from the top of the front window frame. I did a little detail polishing around the "AIRSTREAM" letters and under the clearance lamps. I then taped off the "AIRSTREAM" letters and cut out the recessed parts and sprayed them with some blue paint. I have new clearance lamps on the way from VTS along with polishing supplies from Caswell. Looks better than before, but eventually these two panels will have to be replaced. As long as I can get the leaks to stop for now, I'll be happy
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0665.jpg
Views:	130
Size:	230.1 KB
ID:	144107Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0666.jpg
Views:	123
Size:	255.3 KB
ID:	144108
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0667.jpg
Views:	126
Size:	309.2 KB
ID:	144109

I cleaned up around the SS wing window and the SS VV, stack and main windows. I used the heat gun to soften the old cracked Parbond and scraped the big chunks off with a plastic scraper, then used the pick to get all the gunk from the seams of the windows. I then cleaned all the seams with a rag moistened with MEK. I then taped off the seams with masking tape and applied the sealant. I used 3M 540 polyurethane sealant on the window seams. I used Acryl-R on the panel seams.
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0668.jpg
Views:	127
Size:	305.1 KB
ID:	144110
Time to go BBQ something!
__________________

__________________
Lance

Work is never done, so take time to play!
Top is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
1972 ambassador, 29', restoration, water, window, leaks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.