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Old 07-15-2008, 01:34 PM   #15
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I could be polite and say I beg to differ.
However I think your ridiculous utterance is better served by my saying this...
BULLS#!T
NONSENSE
GROSS OVERSTATEMENT
CRAP

My guess is 70s era has had fewer Lemons and fewer warranty claims than any era since.
Beatrice is a convenient whipping boy. But I have yet to see any evidence they dictated to plants to cut corners in materials or workmanship.
Manufacturing management and plant labor did not migrate over from Beatrice's other entities as I understand it.

I could not care less about Beatrice, Thor, nor Airstream the current Company. I do care about someone poisoning the market for used units of any specific era without concrete evidence. You have done a dis-service and are painting with way too wide a brush.
I reject & ignore your thoughts regards 1970 era Airstreams since I have owned a couple of those and find nothing you said to be true in my case. It is that you stated it as a fact, not as an opinion that raised my ire.

As for Harley's 1970's life I don't know or give a whit.
This is a trailer forum not a bike board.
Kudos to you.

Some people just don't understand the difference 30 or 40 years can make in most any product.

Most anything built 30 or 40 years ago, is not up to todays standards, but that doesn't mean in the remotest sense that 30 or 40 year old stuff is junk.

30 and 40 year old cars, are not up to todays standards, but that doesn't make them junk, either.

Same is true for many many things in our daily lives.

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Old 07-15-2008, 01:39 PM   #16
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Like Harley, Airstreams built in the seventies were mostly junk. Be very carefull with
"good deals" or inflated "classic" prices during that era.
Mike,

I respectively disagree, we enjoy our 1979 Safari, 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon and 1977 Lincoln Continental and we think that all three are great.

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Old 07-15-2008, 08:33 PM   #17
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Having owned two 70s era ('72 Overlander, '73 Sovereign-still in possession), I have been impressed with both the construction and innovation, including the fake wood interior (although the 70s tones are not so much to my liking).

They are light and in my opinion, more attractive than most of the older models.

The structural issues I found in both of them were maintenance related, not design flaws. All involved water, either from the outside or plumbing, and owner negligence.

I don't know how one could compile statistics, but I wonder if there aren't more unrestored/partially restored 70s models out there than any other era, and therefore they get the bad rap (undeserved).

Does anyone know of the actual production numbers of those years? Did Airstream manufacture and sell more units during that period than before and after?
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:00 PM   #18
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Beatrice did make some mistakes in the years they owned Airstream, but I do not think quality was an issue. The same people at the same plants were still building the units designed by Airstream when they took over. Their decision to drop the smaller units and target larger units for the retired crowd was a disaster when the oil embargo of the 70's hit. It's one thing to pay $4 a gallon for gas, it's another to sit in line for hours and hope they don't run out before you get yours. Beatrice did do some very good things in the years they were around. They produced the first service manuals, started the Argosy line and also introduced the first Motor Homes for Airstream.

My 75 was well built and most of the original pieces are still working. This is not junk...
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:05 AM   #19
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Having owned two 70s era ('72 Overlander, '73 Sovereign-still in possession), I have been impressed with both the construction and innovation, including the fake wood interior (although the 70s tones are not so much to my liking).

They are light and in my opinion, more attractive than most of the older models.

The structural issues I found in both of them were maintenance related, not design flaws. All involved water, either from the outside or plumbing, and owner negligence.

I don't know how one could compile statistics, but I wonder if there aren't more unrestored/partially restored 70s models out there than any other era, and therefore they get the bad rap (undeserved).

Does anyone know of the actual production numbers of those years? Did Airstream manufacture and sell more units during that period than before and after?
Back in the early 70's, just before the "phony" gasolene crunch, Airstream in California was kicking out about 50 trailers per week, and sometimes a few more.

Ohio, was building 120 to 140 per week.

Those were the "BOOM" days.

Exact stats are no longer available.

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Old 07-16-2008, 06:43 AM   #20
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Andy said "Some people just don't understand the difference 30 or 40 years can make . . . . Most anything "built" 30 or 40 years ago, is not up to todays standards . . . but that doesn't mean in the remotest sense that 30 or 40 year old stuff is junk."

Andy - Your reply gave me a great LOL start on my day. Thanks. I was "built" (all are MY quotes btw) 30 or 40 plus years ago, and I do sometimes feel like junk, but sadly that's just the aging process for some of us, and our trailers. I sometimes wonder if ole Beatrice takes a potentially underserved beating?

Wishing you an equally good day, with lotsa & .
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:50 PM   #21
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To get sober about wrenching and repairing - you won't use the trailer if you can't stand the way it smells. The formaldehyde used in black tank chemicals , insecticides and vermin musk will drive you nuts if you ignore them while shopping since that is when Aluminitus infatuation and the fixer-upper ego kick in...
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:35 PM   #22
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My 67 Airstream was drove hard and not maintained to well. It smelled of mildew. Had damage from water leaks and many other problems. I did not pay much for the trailer because of this and it took a lot of TIME and MONEY to get it back in shape. But, when it was all done, it cost 1/6th the price of a new one and I had the satisfaction of doing the work myself and having an interior how I wanted it to be. I cursed the whole process but I love it now. Like most everyone says, they are old so they will have some kind of problems. Find the size and model you want and go for it. You can't be a wimp when you buy any old trailer unless you have lots of cash to buy a restored one. I think we that have done the work ourselves have more pride in our outfits than anyone else no matter what it is.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:38 PM   #23
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To the original question, I think there are two categories of questions. One, are there design flaws particular to a given make and model? Two, what are the most common problems experienced in any particular vintage of Airstream.

An example of a design flaw is the rear end separation and frame "droop" in some longer, 70s era Airstreams. You can do a search on this and find ample information. Overall, however, I would say most folks think Airstreams have been fairly well built over the years and have relatively few design flaws. As for any mechanical system 30 to 40 years old, there are going to be issues caused by age, vibration, corrosion, metal fatigue, wear, etc. This is true of old trailers, old cars, old boats or pretty much anything else with moving parts.

Buying something vintage means making a commitment to spending time and money on certain things. There are two ways to look at this. One, you can see this as a money pit. Two, you can see this as an opportunity to improve on a good design.
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