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Old 08-15-2015, 11:28 AM   #29
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Just saw your " looking for a tow vehicle " video

Don't wanna insult your intelligence, cause it appears that you know your stuff.

BUTů.I would advise against the extended vanů.just a little bit.

The further back to rear axle is, the better for towing.
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Old 08-15-2015, 12:02 PM   #30
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From our experience with a 2013 25FB International Serenity, get in one on a dealer lot and pretend to make the cross frame bed. My feet did not fit beside the bed frame and the front wall. Lie down on that same bed close to the front wall and sit up ....watch your head. The person in the front sleeping position has to crab walk out of the bed in the middle of the night to use the head.

While touring the various models, also sit on the toilet and see if your knees fit with the door closed. Our 23D came with the toilet installed perpendicular to the wall, not at the angle shown in the literature. The door could not be closed when perched. We are correcting the toilet installation angle.

Sit in the dinettes and look at the television. Is that position comfortable or is your head turned 90 degrees to see the screen?

The literature tongue weights are very understated. Our literature tongue weight on the 25FB was 833 pounds. After installing the Hensley hitch head and along with the dealer installed street and rear awnings and a 155v watt solar panel (not enough capacity by the way) the scale reported our tongue weight as 1,150, pounds. This number increased to 1,175 pounds when we loaded the trailer for camping.

Many potential tow vehicles may not have a stout enough factory hitch to handle that much weight.

We all get to visit truck stops and use their CAT scales to get the real numbers on both the trailer axles and tow vehicle axles. Many folks are surprised to find their tow vehicle does not have the capacity numbers they thought it had.

Whenever taking a demo tow vehicle ride, cross the local scales and see the axle weights and vehicle total weight and compare those the numbers on the driver's door jam weight stickers. Note that the actual weight will probably not be identical even for the same model on a different lot due to differences in the factory installed accessories.

Good luck in your research and welcome to the forum.
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:18 PM   #31
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Thanks so much for all the great info everyone.

We ended up picking up a 7.3L E350 EB from Denver yesterday. We're putting together a highlight video of the rig. Here's a pic in the mean-time:





We'll be selling the roof rack and modifying the suspension a bit, it's got a little bump-steer at high speeds, so we'll have to sort that out. I realize an EB won't be as ideal for towing, but it'll be nice to have the extra room inside.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:40 PM   #32
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Question ....... "modifying the suspension a bit"

'Ya think?
A bit.....

Maybe just a bit more than a bit.

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Old 08-16-2015, 08:27 PM   #33
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Yeah, it's HUGE. A little too huge.
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Old 08-16-2015, 08:57 PM   #34
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If I had that van I would love to have that rack. I had one similar built for my Excursion. I put Thule bars and six bikes up there, with the whole front of the rack full of other stuff.
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:53 PM   #35
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:29 PM   #36
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Bummer about the AC.

Are you going to be able to lower it or is due to the 4x4 conversion?

How did it drive going 70mph and around corners. No tracking issues? Those tires loud?

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Old 08-23-2015, 01:25 AM   #37
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A/C just needed a charge. $180 later and it blows ice cold (though it takes a few minutes to cool the entire van).

The tires are all terrains, so they're not very loud. We took it up to 80 mph (the speed limit in northern utah) and it did great. Around corners it wanders a bit, so I slow down, but now I'm getting used to driving it.

I'll probably be swapping the suspension with a more updated leaf spring design (shackles in back). Unfortunately, with a solid axle up front, you need at least a 4-6" lift to clear the front crossmember.

The good news is that these vans actually drive better than stock once they're lifted properly.
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I stumbled on your trailer buying videos a few weeks ago and it was scary how much you sounded like my husband with respect to trailer quality. We have made the leap and will be proud owners of a new 27fb flying cloud in a few weeks. Can't wait to hear what you guys end up with.
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Old 09-01-2015, 11:35 PM   #39
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Awesome. We're super jealous. If we could have any trailer in the world, it'd be a 27' Flying Cloud. Enjoy it!
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Old 11-09-2015, 04:44 PM   #40
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We saw our first Avion this past weekend, and it made up our mind: that will most likely be our next trailer. We're officially looking for an '86-'89 Avion in the 25-30' range. A 28A or 30 R would be ideal. We'll keep a close eye on the classifieds, but if anyone could pass some leads our way, it'd be greatly appreciated.
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You will not regret your decision. I'd be more than happy to keep my eyes open for an Avion. How far would you be willing to travel to look at one?

If you haven't already, I like to use SearchTempest: Search all of Craigslist nationwide & more to browse the Avion ads, usually nationwide.


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For some reason I had not kept up with this thread until tonight.

What an AWESOME van!!! We are kindred spirits!! You are gonna LOVE that PowerStroke! Then to hear you are now looking for an Avion! Awesome X 2!!!

Congratulations!

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Thanks so much for all the great info everyone.

We ended up picking up a 7.3L E350 EB from Denver yesterday. We're putting together a highlight video of the rig. Here's a pic in the mean-time:





We'll be selling the roof rack and modifying the suspension a bit, it's got a little bump-steer at high speeds, so we'll have to sort that out. I realize an EB won't be as ideal for towing, but it'll be nice to have the extra room inside.
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