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Old 06-02-2010, 08:42 PM   #15
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Thank you all for your inputs. It seems like the most important issue I need to look for is leakage which is not so easy to determine within a couple of hours on the parking lot of a dealer.

Has anyone ever asked a dealer permission to water the roof of an AS with a hose pipe for 15-30 mins???
I know my dealer washed and Walbernized my trailer prior me arriving. So far with two new trailers, I've not had external leaks that were evident upon delivery. I have had two skylight leaks. One under warranty and one outside of warranty. The one under warranty showed up in year two of ownership and required the skylight to be removed and reinstalled and sealed. The one on my nickel was a crack that most likely caused by overstressing a screw during the building of the trailer. The crack didn't appear until the trailer was 3 years old. On that one we replaced the skylight.

The shower door leaks we found the following morning since we overnighted with a full hookup at the dealership and used the shower that morning. Unfortunately any other leak may not show up with the roof getting wet from a hose. Some water leaks may only show with wind driven rain or when the trailer is in motion, others may take a long amount of rain. My guess is that a 15-30 minute watering of the roof may technically show nothing. You really can't simulate hitting a trailer with rain by using a hose. In addition, leaks can travel some distance and the source may be far away from where the leak shows up.

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Old 06-02-2010, 11:35 PM   #16
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Make a list so you don't forget anything. The dealers schedule 2 hours, but I asked for more time and got it. Ask ahead of time so they can accommodate you.

My dealer did a sloppy job of setting up the hitch. After I figured that out and did it myself months later, the trailer towed better. Some dealers don't want to take the time to do it properly because it cuts into profit. Make sure your tow vehicle is level and the trailer is level before you leave the lot. Make sure they put the right size weight distributing hitch on as they may just install whatever size they have. Some dealers habitually overhitch.

We had a window blow out a 100 miles from the dealer. The latches were not adjusted properly. The dealer is supposed to do a thorough check of these things and I believe the factory pays them for this.

Sometimes these things set on a lot for a long time and the batteries get run down too far and don't last long after you take it home. Have them check the cells for how good they are.

Testing everything and hearing everything when you pick up the trailer is overwhelming. Videotaping is a good idea. Read as much as you can beforehand so you know what to look for. Stay at a campground nearby for a few days and check everything over and over so you can take it back for repairs. We had several immediately obvious things the next morning and many more in the months ahead.

Some dealers do a good job, but some do not. I hope the best for you.

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Old 06-03-2010, 12:52 AM   #17
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Gamana, We did ask our dealer for a water check after the leaks were fixed and they complied....no problem.
As for the make of our microwave...Tappan. We took it to a Tappan dealer and they said that our model would not pop even a small bag of popcorn....we thought it was defective that's why we took it to them. They wouldn't do anything...we need to replace it soon....I need my popcorn!
Try an upside down plate in the microwave and put the bag on top of that. That's what our low wattage microwave suggested. It worked. Can't think if why yours doesn't pop corn.
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Try an upside down plate in the microwave and put the bag on top of that. That's what our low wattage microwave suggested. It worked. Can't think if why yours doesn't pop corn.
If it will boil water, it will pop corn.

if it won't boil water, well, time to get a different microwave.
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Thank you all for your inputs. It seems like the most important issue I need to look for is leakage which is not so easy to determine within a couple of hours on the parking lot of a dealer.
Spend the first night on the dealer's lot and pray for rain. In addition to checking for leaks, use everything in the trailer. Don't leave the the dealer until everything is to your satisfaction.
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well if you are picking it up at dealer near tampa (who shall remain nameless) I would suggest making them open all windows, show you how to work everything, look for loose trim everywhere, make them clean it, including the interior aluminum and if they are doing your hitch work, go somewhere and have it re-done
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Delivery issues

Only my opinion, but the single most important thing you need to learn during the delivery is if the person doing the walk through with you knows anything or not.

Early on, ask them a couple of questions that any competent tech or sales person should know. If they answer both of them wrong, feel free to ask for someone else to go through the walk through or just ignore what they tell you and figure out things by reading the instructions.

This is a service you are paying for (directly or indirectly) so you are entitled to have someone go through it with you that knows what they are talking about.

In my case, I asked the "service technician" if I should leave both dump valves open when I had a site with full hookups. His answer was "yeah, that's fine".

I then asked where I should hook up the breakaway cable on my vehicle. He suggested looping it over the ball.

Needless to say, the walk-through advice provided by him was a waste of my time from that point forward.

The only "defect" we found during the walk through was 1 burned out light bulb. It was replaced.

Over the next 6 months, a few more things cropped up and were fixed under warranty. I don't think very many were a problem during delivery but a couple were just things I missed.

1. Missing lift strut under the bed. Mounting hardware was there so I think it was probably "borrowed" while on the lot at the dealer and not replaced.

2. Grommets in the stove top have been an ongoing issue. They seem to tear pretty easy and fall through the hole in the stove top. Doesn't make the stove any less functional. I think I have replaced 3 of them now after nearly two years of pretty heavy use.

3. The Tappan microwave that was initially in my trailer failed twice under warranty. The manufacturer talked to me after the second one bit the dust within a week of install. That model has been discontinued and they sent a slightly different model. It is about a 1/2 inch taller than the original but otherwise is the same. It has worked flawlessly.

4. Many here have reported leaks at the shower door. I think they may have fixed the problem back in 2007 or 2008. My trailer has never had an issue. On those that do, there is a pretty easily seen gap in the bottom corner of the door frame. It can be caulked if you know to look for it in advance.

5. The front compartment door (behind the propane tanks) on the 27FB as well as several other models has a very high probability for leaking. Nearly every person I have talked to with one of these doors has seen a leak at one point or another. Make sure the gasket doesn't have any gaps. Make sure it isn't twisted or loose. Make sure the door latches are pretty tight. In the end, it is just one of the areas you will need to pay attention to. If you ever see how much water is hitting that area when you tow on a wet road, it will not surprise you to know that there are sometimes leaks.

6. Look carefully at the skylight(s). If you see any cracking at all, they will probably leak. Sometimes the screws are over tightened. Sometimes other factors cause this.

7. Ask the tech to show you what to do if the power jack fails. One of my friends didn't get the manual jack handle for emergency use when he bought his trailer. A blown fuse or jack failure can be a big deal if you need to hook up (or unhook) and don't have the manual crank handle as well as the appropriate hex key for some of the jack heads.

8. As others have noted, the more time you spend in the trailer, the better the chances are of discovering things that might need attention. If you can spend a day or so in close proximity to the dealer it will be handy if you do find anything.

9. I'm a little anal about lug nut torque and tire pressures. Ask the technician to torque the lugs to spec and check the tire pressures while you watch. That way, you will hopefully learn how to do it if you don't know already. At the same time, you will know it is right when you are pulling off the lot for your maiden voyage.

My warranty is about to run out. After two years and lots of miles, I still think that the problems that I have experienced have been truly minor. At the end of the day, we all want perfection. As expensive as things are, we kind of expect it. I doubt they will ever build a "perfect" one though. There is simply too much human involvement in the construction of these things. Robots don't build them. Guys and gals in a small town in Ohio do. Overall, I have been very happy.
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They wouldn't do anything...we need to replace it soon....I need my popcorn!
Hey, Kidsgone, get a pot with fairly tall sides, pour in cooking oil about one popcorn kernel deep in the pot, drop in two or three kernels of popcorn and heat over high heat. When those kernels start to pop, pour in popcorn to just about two kernels deep. Cover the pan and listen. When the kernels start to pop, start shaking the pan. Keep shaking it until the popping slows. Remove from heat, season to taste and enjoy! You can add a bit of butter and salt to the initial oil if you are so minded.

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P.S. Heck yeah, its a lot more work, and be sure and clean out your pot with hot water while it is still fairly warm.

Alternative recipe: Replace your microwave.
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Stephen,
Yes that is my preferred way of making pop corn, but I use olive oil so I don't need the butter. HOWEVER, I have been introduced to Tender White microwave popcorn by Orville and when on the road its easy.....however, my preference is still the old fashioned way!
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well if you are picking it up at dealer near tampa (who shall remain nameless) I would suggest making them open all windows, show you how to work everything, look for loose trim everywhere, make them clean it, including the interior aluminum and if they are doing your hitch work, go somewhere and have it re-done
They are installing a PP 3P hitch which, from what I read, is the hardest system to install. That's promising....
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Great thread and information! I got my new 2009 27FB Flying Cloud in October. Only minor issues so far. The cheap plastic shower door latch got distorted and trapped my wife in the shower. The poop tank sensor constantly shows empty no matter how hard I try to fill it. The batteries were draining during storage and I still can't find out why. I just disconnect the negative cable when I store it. But the strangest thing is a leak from the bathroom vent. I can tow it in pouring rain and the bathroom remains dry. But if it rains during storage and then I move it, about a half cup of water splashes down from the closed vent. Going thru the AS "briefcase" will take some time. It has all the manufacturer's information and it is often necessary to refer some of the manuals. Mine was missing the AS owners. I have mine organized now with a sheet visible from the outside of the plastic cases with a list of what's inside. Play very close attention to the hitch setup as this can make huge differences in your towing experience. Hopefully, you will have someone very knowledgeable about the set up. Don't let them rush thru this. Same thing with the walk thru. Take your time and have it thoroughly explained. Watch the awning demonstration, and then do it a second time yourself. Very important you know how to put it away. By the way, what is your tow vehicle?
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great thread and information! I got my new 2009 27fb flying cloud in october. Only minor issues so far. The cheap plastic shower door latch got distorted and trapped my wife in the shower. The poop tank sensor constantly shows empty no matter how hard i try to fill it. The batteries were draining during storage and i still can't find out why. I just disconnect the negative cable when i store it. But the strangest thing is a leak from the bathroom vent. I can tow it in pouring rain and the bathroom remains dry. But if it rains during storage and then i move it, about a half cup of water splashes down from the closed vent. Going thru the as "briefcase" will take some time. It has all the manufacturer's information and it is often necessary to refer some of the manuals. Mine was missing the as owners. I have mine organized now with a sheet visible from the outside of the plastic cases with a list of what's inside. Play very close attention to the hitch setup as this can make huge differences in your towing experience. Hopefully, you will have someone very knowledgeable about the set up. Don't let them rush thru this. Same thing with the walk thru. Take your time and have it thoroughly explained. Watch the awning demonstration, and then do it a second time yourself. Very important you know how to put it away. By the way, what is your tow vehicle?
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GThe batteries were draining during storage and I still can't find out why. I just disconnect the negative cable when I store it.
If the master is on, you will get a draw from the appliances (even though they are off). If the master is off, the propane detector is still live although that draw is many times less than what you would measure with the master disconnect switch in the on position.

On my '01 Safari I measured .1 draw with master on. With master off the draw was .01 amp hour. Do the math using the amp hour capacity of your battery and you can see why after a number of days in storage, the battery hasn't much left.

What you did short of putting in some type of knife switch is the only way to save the charge.

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The cheap plastic shower door latch got distorted and trapped my wife in the shower.
Funny you should mention that. I just has to get rescued by my wife. I keep bending the damn thing back and in a few days it traps one of us. Another good reason to be married.

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