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Old 07-13-2007, 12:24 AM   #29
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We just bought a 25 Safari

My wife and I bought 25' Safari and we got the twin beds. At first we turned our nose up at the twin as Ozzy and Harriett but the more we thought about it, it made sense with getting in and out of bed in the night and making up the beds etc. Besides we already have 3 kids .The beds are a bit skinny but very long about 6'8" I'm guessing. I have never owned an RV before and was intmitdated by the 25' size but after about 4 weeks of driving and practicing I am very impressed how easy it is to handle. The twin has one nice thing it makes it seem much longer since it's all open, the bed does not cut off the trailer. BTW my friend bought a Nomad about the same time and he has nothing but problems. His latest is the black tank doesn't drain and it took 2 months to get it serviced since they service dept is backed up. Stick with any Airstream anyday of the week.
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Old 07-13-2007, 10:29 AM   #30
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Just remember, kids are very portable and adaptable, concentrate on Mom and Dad's needs. The kids needs will change yearly.
lots of good advice in what caddy green said. also, remember the kids can sleep in a tent and maybe they would prefer that as they get a little older.
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Old 07-15-2007, 12:49 AM   #31
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Mike

Did you find someone willing/able to take a look at that Toronto area trailer on your behalf? Let us know how you make out with it.

This one is a bit older but from the few pics and the description it certainly sounds decent
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:29 AM   #32
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If you would like to see some of the older AS layouts check the classifieds on this site.

http://www.airforums.com/classifieds/showcat.php?cat=16

If you would like another source check out eBay.

eBay - airstream, Parts Accessories, Transportation items on eBay.com

Buying an older model year WILL save you BIG BUCKS. Most any used AS 10 years or newer should be in great shape and not need any repair work. Just like my Saab, AS is solid like a rock. This is what drew me to the brand
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:52 AM   #33
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'06 F150 V8 with 7200lb. towing package - from everything I've read, I should be well within the towing capacity in a 25' or 28' AS. Correct me if I'm wrong...Mike
I tow a 23' with a '05 F-150 and would be comfortable stepping up to a 25' trailer. I wouldnt want to go bigger than that though. The truck has plenty of power certainly but it it my opinion that a 1/2 ton truck is too small for the 28'+ sizes of trailers.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:35 AM   #34
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Hello everyone...well the Toronto deal fell through - they sold it before I was able to have the deposit couriered. Unfortunately I can't seem to delete that thread?!

I had a look at the 25' Excella but I'm not really keen on the twin bed lay out and I thought the $$ was a bit aggressive, condidering I could've taken the 1999 Toronto Safari for around $20K. Long distance purchases are challenging to say the least.

I'm still actively searching and check only daily. I finally had a good look at the 22' Safari Sport - very nice!

The thought of driving 3-4 days to pick up a late model in the US/Eastern Canada is a bit daunting but so are the new trailer prices....hmmm..what to do.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:39 AM   #35
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Hi Tinboy, glad to hear you are enjoying your adventures in you Safari and I noticed you said you are enjoying the twin bed layout. From what I've seen for floor plans, does this also mean you do not have a dinette? What are your thoughts on that?
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:44 PM   #36
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Well, if you didn't see it in my other thread, I will be driving 2 days to beautful Holland, Mi. on Sunday to pick up the newest member of my family. Her name is "Safari SE LS" and she's born in 2005 and is a whopping 28' long! She is absolutely beautiful and comes from a wonferful family.

I researched my F150 TV a bit further, and being a bone headed rookie, I thought the 7200 lb. "package" was my towing capacity somehow. Anyway, it turns out that is my truck's GVWR and with a curb weight of aprox. 4500lbs, I have lots of room for fluids, passengers, options etc, in just the truck alone (2700lbs!). The GCVR is 13,500 lbs (trailer, truck, passengers, fluids, options, gear, etc). So, according to Ford, I should be well within my weight limits for my Safari and F150 combo.

The people I am buying from are towing with a 2004 Expedition 5.4L V8 and have NO problems what so ever. Once I saw their photos and TV, I started to investigate my truck's capabilities a bit further.

Wish me luck getting home....Mike
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Old 07-18-2007, 07:19 PM   #37
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Hre's your "Good Luck" wish...

Congratulations on finding a solid late model 28' Safari, and I hope trip to MI goes well, and there are no surprises, disapppointments or other outbursts of negativity...

The research on towing capacity is a good exercise, and hopefully all will be OK.. At least MI and SK are pretty flat...

Despite all the discourse and discussion about aedquate or inadequate tow vehicles here on the Forums, some members discover for themselves whether they are OK or not, and I suspect that will be your outcome over time.. Jackrabbit starts and uphill passing won't work for you, but you should be OK on most level terrain. If the truck is overmatched at some point by the trailer, you'll know it before we will...
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:09 PM   #38
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Hi Condo...I'm not a 'hitch' expert but this unit comes with a Reese hitch and anti-sway bars. From my limited knowledge on hitches, this should help take some of the stress off the rear axle.

Fortunately my father as offered to come along for the ride and between the two of us and the bald, flat prairies we should be able to manage quite well.

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Old 07-18-2007, 11:25 PM   #39
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Arrow 28 feet is more than enough for us...

We had the same quandry. There was a used 25FB with with twin beds. It was a great layout but we couldnt handle being Laura and Rob Petri. Check out the Dick Van Dyke Show if you dont know who they are

We ended up with the 28 footer for the bed, actually to be able to stand on each side of the bed and its great. For us, we actually need less room than we thought but we got real lucky on a used consignment Intl'. We love it.

I would suggest laying down on the bed, dont be shy, take a nap side by side... Or at least lay there for a few mintues a few times. It really helped us.

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Old 07-24-2007, 06:01 PM   #40
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Hello, I am brand new to this forum...and have also been searching through Craig's List, Ebay and am thankful to have found this group. I'll post more on my questions soon, but wanted to tell you, Mike, that my husband drove up to Rathdrum, ID to look at the 1/2 price Airstream on the Spokane Craig's List. He was so excited when he walked up...looked like new. The inside smelled new, but although he is very good at restoring things, he said "no way". It must have fallen on it's side, the side is crushed in over a foot on one end and it looking at it from the front or back it looks "tweaked". I was very sad when he called...we were ready to jump on it! Happy searching, Bambo
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Hello Michael -- Your profile says you have a 2006 F-150. Your manual would be the definitive source but a similar perspective is at 2007 F-150 specs (click on Payload Package Selector). Your truck has a maximum GVWR. You will find that emergency maneuvers and durability are enhanced if you don't exceed 85% of that GVWR. Curb weight (empty) + maximum payload = GVWR.

Figure out what aftermarket options you've added to the truck (truck cap?) and what you want to carry (driver + passengers, pets, cargo in box). Add any prospective Airstream's tongue weight -- probably add 200# for weight distribution gear, LP in the tanks, and minimal personal gear aboard - actual weighing is the only way to be sure when you are loaded camp-ready (see http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464/hitch-weight-bathroom-scale-24195.html). You need to stay honest to being within this limit, regardless of what public relations big tow capacity number comes with your package. As many of us have found, if you stay within a tow vehicle's payload capacity you'll probably rarely approach tow capacity or GCWR. Manufacturers compute these latter numbers with an un-optioned truck, almost no gas, and the lightest steeplechase rider they can put behind the wheel -- not very 'real world.'

Vintage Airstreams can be about 1000# lighter than their modern length equivalents. It would be dicey trying to tow a heavy 28'. You might need to load with some care to pull a newer 25' with a 1/2-ton truck -- just pay attention to the payload capacity and you'll be okay. I know you're putting a lot of consideration into your pursuit of the perfect Airstream for your family!

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Hello Michael -- Your profile says you have a 2006 F-150. Your manual would be the definitive source, but a similar perspective is at 2007 F-150 specs (click on Payload Package Selector). Your truck has a maximum GVWR. You will find that emergency maneuvers and durability are enhanced if you don't exceed 85% of that GVWR. Curb weight (empty) + maximum payload = GVWR.

Figure out what aftermarket options you've added to the truck (truck cap?) and what you want to carry (driver + passengers, pets, cargo in box). Add any prospective Airstream's tongue weight -- probably add 200# for weight distribution gear, LP in the tanks, and minimal personal gear aboard. Actual weighing is the only way to be sure of the hitch weight range when a travel trailer is loaded camp-ready (see http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464/hitch-weight-bathroom-scale-24195.html). You need to stay honest about being within this limit regardless of what public relations big tow capacity number comes with your package. As many of us have found, if you stay within a tow vehicle's payload capacity you'll probably rarely approach tow capacity or GCWR. Manufacturers compute these latter numbers with an un-optioned truck, almost no gas, and the lightest steeplechase rider they can put behind the wheel -- not very 'real world.'

Vintage Airstreams can be about 1000# lighter than their modern length equivalents. It would be dicey trying to tow a heavy 28'. You might need to load with some care to pull a newer 25' with a 1/2-ton truck -- just pay attention to the payload capacity and you'll be okay. I know you're putting a lot of consideration into your pursuit of the perfect Airstream for your family!

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