View Poll Results: Your experience with online fraud?
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Old 03-30-2014, 09:56 AM   #1
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Exclamation Fraud / Hackers / Scams - Look out when selling in the classifieds!

Hello All!

I wanted to let everyone know about potential hackers and scammers on the Airstream Classifieds site. I have my Airstream listed there for sale (2010 Airstream International 27 for sale in Calgary, Alberta) and have received some fraudulent inquiries for it. I have spent my career in software so I have seen many of these scams over the years. The shocking thing is that they are still doing these scams as they do get the odd trusting person to fall for them. There was a case near me a couple of months ago where a couple bought an AS and never got it as it did't exist, and lost their money.

So, I have received some of these inquiries from the Airstream Classified site, so these predators are combing the site looking for opportunities. Here is one example. I was contacted through the classifieds site by a person looking to buy my AS. The email looked a little off so I checked into it. The emails through the site shows the IP address of the person sending the email. They said they were from Wisconsin but their IP was in Africa and their phone number was California. So unless they are traveling a lot around the world, this should be a first red flag. After digging deeper I discovered this was a scam trying to get my Airstream without paying for it. I had 2 of these yesterday alone.

Here are some guidelines when buying / selling online:

- When getting an email from the classifieds you will get the users IP address, use a tool like this one to see where they are sending the email from: IP Address Lookup This will give you the information about where they sent the email from, so if they say they are down the street yet their computer is around the world, this should raise some concerns.
- Check the users profile on this site. Go to the page Airstream Forums - Members List and click on the Search Member link in the top right of the member list, then enter in the member id you got in the email they sent you. If they just joined that day and have no history this should potentially raise some more concerns for you.
- ALWAYS meet face to face, meet in a public place where there are other people around.
- Never send or wire money to sellers or buyers. This includes mailing a cheque or using payment services like PayPal, Square Transactions, Online Jumble Sales, eTradeDepot, Gizmagdepot.com, Rent Monitor, Amazon Payments, Bidpay, Google Wallet/ Checkout, Canada Post, Western Union or Money Gram. While these sites can be very useful and secure, typically scammers are only pretending to use them and will even go so far as to falsify documents from a legitimate company.
- A lot of scammers will request that they communicate only by email. Don't fall for this, always talk to them on the phone before getting in too deep.
- Never give out your personal information. I had one yesterday looking for my email address, paypal account, paypal email, home address, home phone number, etc... and they would wire me the money and would get a shipper to pick up the AS, sight unseen! They will even go as far as asking for your bank information so they can send you the money. This screams fraud and don't fall for it!
- There is often a delay in answering your emails as they are somewhere else around the world and day may be night for them, just another potential flag.

- Most of all, if it is too good to be true, it probably isn't true...

A couple of helpful links with information in addition to what I have written above:
- Tips for avoiding Cars and Vehicles Scams
- Tips for avoiding Reply Scams

Sorry for the long email on this! I have seen some very trusting people caught in these scams in the past and they have lost a lot of money. This is not their fault, all they did wrong was trust others to be good honourable people. Unfortunately, there are some people in this world who are not so honest...

Thanks!

Simon.
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Old 05-25-2014, 02:42 PM   #2
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Can you help

We are currently looking into purchasing a 1961 airstream that is on the classifieds. The seller did join the same day I did : ). We have talked via phone several time and we did do a FaceTime walk through of the trailer but we are talking about doing some of the financials w paypal etc because we live very far away. I believe this is pretty legit but also want to be cautious. This is a hug amount of money for us.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Old 05-25-2014, 03:01 PM   #3
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We are currently looking into purchasing a 1961 airstream that is on the classifieds. The seller did join the same day I did : ). We have talked via phone several time and we did do a FaceTime walk through of the trailer but we are talking about doing some of the financials w paypal etc because we live very far away. I believe this is pretty legit but also want to be cautious. This is a hug amount of money for us.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Try getting a volunteer inspector to check it out for you. There should be at least a couple in Southeast Florida that can at least verify the seller has the trailer and the title, and they match the photos and description.
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Old 05-25-2014, 08:26 PM   #4
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We bought our first AS through E-bay using Paypal. After reading about some of these scams maybe we were just lucky. We were straightforward buyers and the seller was a straight shooter to and all went well. Good people are out there lets never forget that but at the same time do take precautions to insure your transaction is a good one. Someone once said " Trust but verify ". Good words to remember.

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Old 06-30-2014, 05:21 PM   #5
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Guess airstream buyers are ripe for the picking

We have over the last few months tried to find the right a/s for us with little luck .many were false ads, shaky dealer , and downright fraud . The internet makes it both good and bad for the buyer. We will not buy until I can see the trailer in person ,with the owner handing me the title as I hook up the hitch !! But really , A much lusted for item like an airstream ,with people who have the means to purchase ,and well "some of us " a tad older are perfect targets for fraud .thanks to all on this forum that help to educate poor rookies like me
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:37 PM   #6
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And of course, if you get responses through the Forums Classifieds that are scams, or if you see ads that you realize are scams or you become aware after receiving weird responses from the seller - LET US KNOW! Contact myself or any moderator, or use the Contact Us link at the bottom of any page. We will ban the spammer so they cannot attempt to scam other members and remove their ads.

Be careful, and stay safe!
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Old 07-06-2014, 02:27 PM   #7
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1983 Excella Scam

This is on Craigslist in San Antonio, probably in other cities as well:

1983 AIRSTREAM EXCELLA TRAVEL TRAILER - $2500 ( )
1983 AIRSTREAM EXCELLA TRAVEL TRAILER. Has no slides. Awning on front. Sleeps 6 - 7 depending on size. We have been the only owners and are non smoking. There are no dents nor scratches. Very good condition, and very clean.

This is the reply I got:

Sorry for the delay,

Thank you for your interest in my 1983 Airstream Excella 31ft, 4,950lbs, includes:5.5 Kw Onan Generator, clear title, sleeping capacity:4-5. Everything is in 100% good working condition. It is in perfect condition never smoked in, no pets, no damage, no leaks. I have all the documents and papers. At the moment I'm stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington but I was promoted and transferred to Fort Richardson in Anchorage Alaska for a 3 years period, therefore I need a reliable buyer. The travel trailer will be delivered from Joint Base Lewis-McChord. The Logistic Department will deliver the travel trailer to your home. It is available for immediate delivery free of charge at your door, the shipping process takes 4 days. I'm looking for a quick sale, that's why the price has been reduced to $2,5OO to avoid wasting time with negotiations.

More photos here: 1983 Excella - Imgur

Have a nice day!
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:16 PM   #8
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curbing ! one "dealer" we tried working with is curbing ,not signing the title ,so tax fraud !won't deal straight , he's on the east coast craigslist, but he is in Ca.,and air forum .
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:31 PM   #9
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This is on Craigslist in San Antonio, probably in other cities as well:



1983 AIRSTREAM EXCELLA TRAVEL TRAILER - $2500 ( )

1983 AIRSTREAM EXCELLA TRAVEL TRAILER. Has no slides. Awning on front.....
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I am sure you have figured this out since you posted, but I wouldn't touch that one with a 10 foot pole!
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:43 PM   #10
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I am looking for a 27 Flying Cloud and found a nice one in Florida. I wrote to this person twice, the first time the add hit the classified. So far I have not received a response. I have decided to wait until I can physically get the AS I am interested in. This forum has confirmed that this is the best idea. Thanks for the ideas.
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Old 07-10-2014, 01:52 PM   #11
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This is on Craigslist in San Antonio, probably in other cities as well:

1983 AIRSTREAM EXCELLA TRAVEL TRAILER - $2500 ( )
1983 AIRSTREAM EXCELLA TRAVEL TRAILER. Has no slides. Awning on front. Sleeps 6 - 7 depending on size. We have been the only owners and are non smoking. There are no dents nor scratches. Very good condition, and very clean.

This is the reply I got:

Sorry for the delay,

Thank you for your interest in my 1983 Airstream Excella 31ft, 4,950lbs, includes:5.5 Kw Onan Generator, clear title, sleeping capacity:4-5. Everything is in 100% good working condition. It is in perfect condition never smoked in, no pets, no damage, no leaks. I have all the documents and papers. At the moment I'm stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington but I was promoted and transferred to Fort Richardson in Anchorage Alaska for a 3 years period, therefore I need a reliable buyer. The travel trailer will be delivered from Joint Base Lewis-McChord. The Logistic Department will deliver the travel trailer to your home. It is available for immediate delivery free of charge at your door, the shipping process takes 4 days. I'm looking for a quick sale, that's why the price has been reduced to $2,5OO to avoid wasting time with negotiations.

More photos here: 1983 Excella - Imgur

Have a nice day!
I believe this I saw same ad on Ebay as I will not go to craigs list.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:15 PM   #12
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Exclamation Fraudseter Still At It

The 1983 Excella 31' Classic fraudster is at it again on Craigslist.

Posting on Minneapolis Craigslist - 1983 Airstream Excella Classic Clear Title

Phone number is listed as 253-248-0561 (Washington) and email address is ssgtlf@gmail.com.

Thanks to everyone for posting about this guy!
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Old 09-10-2017, 10:20 PM   #13
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Just wanted to let everyone know the scammers are very active. Within hours of listing my trailer, they started texting me. Offering to buy at my listed price with a bank check! They also said they would send someone else to pick it up with in 2 days. That should be your first clue.
They are not likely to give you a real name or address. they will call on cell or from a borrowed phone.
So ( PLEASE ) do not let anyone take your trailer until the check has cleared the bank and that will that a least 14 days possibly longer. make sure you have confirmed with the bank that you have received the funds. and they can not be recalled by the check writer.
The crooks may offer you extra money to let them pickup early, because they need it right away. DON'T BELIEVE THAT!!!!!!!

Things you can do to protect yourself

1 You should google any phone # used to contact you and their email

2 You should ask buyer for their name address and a land line THEN GOOGLE THAT.

Just these simple precautions that take only a few moment can help stop you from making a costly mistake.

I hope this helps someone.

travel safe and beware the scammers

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Old 09-10-2017, 10:53 PM   #14
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Those are good suggestions, I will add one more. I went back and forth with one emailing thru Craigslist email relay (where your email address is protected) and I flat out asked "Is this a scam". Never heard back from them.

I tried the IP address lookup as suggested in the OP, I pulled up an email out of my spam folder supposedly from Chase. I found an IP address in the properties under "details" and it turned out to be in Jamaica.
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