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Old 05-03-2016, 08:57 AM   #1
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Flying Cloud 19, 20, or 23D

Please help!

The more I've researched, stalked, obsessed - the more confused I am. I thought we were 100% ready to purchase a new 23D last week. Seriously ready. I'm having second thoughts because I love the idea of a Bambi. But I'm so torn.

Any input on FC v. International Signature would be welcome too. We were 100% FC and now I'm second guessing that.

2 Adults (5'5 & 6'0)
1 son 19 (5'10)
1 son 17 (5'10)
1 dog 40 lbs wet!

Tow Vehicle: AudiQ7 or VW Tourareg

If we use the TT 100 times, here is my gut for occupancy:

4 of us: 5 times (w dog probably)
3 of us: 20 times (w/ dog probably)
2 of us: 40 times (w/ dog half of the time)
Just 1!: 30 times (w/ dog a few times)

Hopefully this second guessing is normal. This is our first purchase after years of dreaming. We have rented RV's. But never a TT.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-03-2016, 09:36 AM   #2
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I'm not a fan of the corner bed in the 19 or 23d. Its only 48" wide, looks like it would be difficult bed to make and one would be crawling over the other.

I can't see 4 people in a 20'. Two can't sleep in the dinette and the front bed is still only 48".

The 23d has the 48" corner bed but at least it has the ability to sleep your two boys on the lounge and dinette area.

So I thnk if you guys can sleep in the corner bed then the 23d would be your best choice unless you think you tow vehicle could tow a 25. If it can I'd recommend you look at a twin bed version for comparison. When we moved from our Casita 17' fiberglass trailer to Airstream we looked at a 20, 23d, 23fb and decided to look for 25 floorplans. We ended up having to get a new tow vehicle.

As for Flying Cloud vs International its just a mater of which cabinet finish and cabinet style you like. The FC has the enclosed cabinet doors while International has the sliding door translucent doors. I'm not sure the price difference is justified between the two trims.

We stumbled onto our 2008 Classic 25fb and really love the hickory cabinetry. We looked at new Flying Clouds, Internationals including the Serenity and we are glad we have the hickory cabinets. We've decided to spend the money to have a twin bed renovation vs selling it and purchasing a FC with twins.

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Old 05-03-2016, 10:56 AM   #3
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Welcome to the Airstream community!
Noticed you plan camping primarily as two adults and one pup.
And my two cents worth based on our very positive experiences
with two years ownership and 5,000 miles/250 nights camped
in our FC 20' FB ......we love it!
We are not large size people and fit fine in the 48" wide bed.
We have traveled for lengths of time 4-94 days at a time.
Traveled all seasons (yes hauling winter and summer clothing) and
our TV is a VW Touareg (great mileage 15-17 mpg towing)
with more than adequate storage space for all our gear.
Suggest spending more time at your dealer and find your best fit.
Closing the door of your favorite model and visualizing yourself in
your shiny tiny home on wheels will be your best outcome!
Have seen many here on the forum suggest "go as big as you can"
others recommend using a tent for extra sleeping space.
We enjoy the comfy but minimalistic approach!
Happy adventures await,
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:19 AM   #4
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I absolutely love my Flying Cloud 20. It's the right size, cuter than a bugs ear and has the most awesome galley I have ever seen in an Airstream. It comfortably sleeps 3-4 and has everything I need. I love that it fits in smaller camp spaces that larger trailers can't get into and that opens up lots more camping options.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:29 AM   #5
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Welcome to the forum! I recommend you take as many of your family as you can muster, and go see new trailers in person and in dog. The 19 and 20, and probably the 23 also, are going to seem too small IMO.

Full scale inspection will make your dilemma very real very quickly.

Talking about this here could quickly lead to "analysis paralysis."

Good luck,

Peter

PS and ditto to Steve about the galley in the FC20, but not for more than 2 people IMO. Plus dog.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:42 AM   #6
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We camped in a pop up for many years. When my two sons got into their teens I bought a very nice four man tent from REI. They put cots in it, and were much more comfortable than in the pop up with Mom and Dad. We took 90% of our meals outside on the picnic table with tarp over it. We could all fit inside at the table, if we needed to.
We started with a 19' Bambi, but the corner bed, and the very tight bathroom were not working for us. They seemed fine at the dealer. (Im 6'5" though).
I would go with the most room you can pull safely. I've seen several other posts from folks that went to a larger trailer from the Bambi. (There are a lot that have gone from a 23 to a 25 also).
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:58 AM   #7
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Best advise that I received on this forum was to go one size bigger then I thought I would need. The price difference was not enough to be a deciding factor so I went bigger.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:58 AM   #8
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Looks like 4 people is the minority. Have you considered a 23D Bunk? Adds an extra bed over the queen so only have to make up the dinette when traveling with 4. Not sure of the weight restriction for the bunk, saw a post that said the weight limit for a 30' bunkhouse was 150lbs.

If you are thinking of twin beds, the smallest is a 25'.


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Old 05-03-2016, 12:03 PM   #9
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Vote for 23D FC

Heard the International sliding doors open while traveling. Don't know if true or not. We have a 2016 23D FC and love it.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:10 PM   #10
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Thank you so much! I wish we lived closer to a dealership. Every reply was helpful. I'll keep you posted. My gut is we'll end up with the 23D. I actully like the bunk idea just for storage. None of us would fit in the bunk. Well, Tessie would! The dog. Just don't want to much Airstream when it's just me! That is single handily my sticking point. We love tents... Thanks again! Jaime
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:21 PM   #11
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We had a 20. For your needs anything less than a 25 will keep you second guessing as long as you own it. It's far more spacious, has more liquid storage tank capacity, larger tires and brakes, the 25 has 15" tires, self-adjusting brakes and Never-Lube bearings, you will hardly notice the difference towing except that it will be a little more stable.

Two axles provide better braking, and if you have a flat you can proceed to a safer spot to change it, or remove one wheel and proceed to a tire repair shop at reduced speed to let them change it.

The 25's can also be modified to your changing life needs, twin/queen bed conversions, seating conversions between dinette, sofa, or recliners. It's all the trailer you will ever need.

Many report very good results towing this with A7/Touareg, we use a Ram pickup with the small 3.0 diesel and it's very satisfying in performance and economy. If you need to carry the whole bunch at once and a bunch of gear, have them meet you at the campground with their car.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:45 PM   #12
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We currently own a 19' Bambi and a 23'FB, though I will probably sell the Bambi in the near future. As soon as I can emotionally let it go.

The Bambi served us well for eight years and we love how cozy it is. But the 23FB is just more functional. It has a 60"x75" bed that is not only larger, but there is access on three sides and easier to make up. 39gal fresh water tank vs. 23gal in the Bambi, a separate bath area, plus a lot more storage, larger refrigerator, counter space and increase in Net Carrying Capacity (NCC) of over 500lbs.

We also prefer the narrower profile than the larger models.

We are a party of two plus dog.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:51 PM   #13
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We have 19", love it. When we have four grandchildren, they go in tent right outside door.

I was very very confused. I went and put deposit on a hardly used top of line 25'. When I went to pick it up the fabreeze smell was gone and let's just say there had been no winterization for a few years. It was perfect otherwise, but I walked away. My personality had me desparate for an Airstream, it was December in NJ!

Next I found a brand new 25' , great price. Put deposit down site unseen. I got cold feet thinking of pulling that long for my needs( I use for work travel 160 nights a season, plus vacations). I called next day and the dealer very graciously returned my deposit.

Then my sister found the one I have now
in Va. Price was fine, we met half way. There are blemishes on skin That were not disclosed to me ( never use brillo to remove sap). It was not a deal breaker. We start Season four in Airstream on Sunday wih Trip to KY. I am very very happy with what I have and it works for me, although still like that 23D!

So confusion and doubt can be part of process, it was for me.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:58 PM   #14
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Thank you so much! I wish we lived closer to a dealership. Every reply was helpful. I'll keep you posted. My gut is we'll end up with the 23D. I actully like the bunk idea just for storage. None of us would fit in the bunk. Well, Tessie would! The dog. Just don't want to much Airstream when it's just me! That is single handily my sticking point. We love tents... Thanks again! Jaime
The local chapter of the WBCCI (*) is having events in Hingham and Plymouth in September, although you may want to purchase before then. I would guess that you could locate local Airstreams to check out before then through this chapter.

http://newengland.wbcci.net/calendar1/

Good luck,

Peter

(*) Wally Byam Caravan Club International -- the original AS social and caravaning organization.

http://wbcci.org/

PS -- You could also place a "Wanted to Buy" classified ad here, which is what I did at first. I had a perfect trailer lined up used, but a closer dealer put one on sale. Done!

http://www.airstreamclassifieds.com/
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