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Old 05-15-2011, 08:54 AM   #15
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In our 19' we have a fold out from the kitchen area to the right of the sink. It was added by PO (thanks again Mojo) and is not full depth of counter making it easy to still get in and out of the dinette. The dinette is obviously, still a prep area as well.

Personally I hate the 20' (nothing personal my 20' owning airstream brothers and sisters), even with more windows it feels like a 70s sailboat (all hallway) to me. A 20' would be awesome for single fulltiming. I am also friends with a couple who are very happy with their 16' and one of them is a pro-chef.

For us, more storage and a larger galley was not worth being too big for many of the places we want to go (18' limit - a 19/20 squeezes in). It really depends on you, your needs, wants and what will keep you satisfied and happy!
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Old 05-15-2011, 10:10 PM   #16
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Going on six years in the 19' Bambi and over 220 nights camping. We do a fair share of dutch oven cooking, but also cook indoors when the weather dictates. No problems with the "dance". We chop at the table and cook outside/inside in shifts...just adds to the adventure. The dutch oven really adds a new dimension to whole experience, lots of curious neighbors and always plenty of leftovers to share.
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:11 AM   #17
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Being a great fan of our 20' and choosing it over the 19' (very glad we did), I have to offer a rebuttal to the earlier "hate the 20" comment.

We went for the 20 rather than the 19 because they are only marginally different in size, but the 20 offers one of Airstream's largest, most usable kitchens. Anything but all hallway, there isn't an inch of hallway lost for the bed. The dinette is opposite the entry and fridge. The wonderfully spacious kitchen countertops, with all usable cabinets above and below, account for the reminder of the hallway, opposite that is the bath. It is a remarkably efficient design for a trailer this size.

My only complaint about the 20, and this is only because our trips have been running 6 months at a time, I'm no youngster anymore, is the lack of a cozy recliner like at home. I don't see a complete solution for that until the Safari 30. I am considering a convertible sofa replacement for the bed, making our 20 a near perfect traveling companion.

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Old 05-16-2011, 06:35 AM   #18
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The twenty is really cool, but I wonder if too much space is dedicated to the kitchen. We like to cook and I just don't think it is possible with such a small counter area.
I guess it boils down to this - what does the 20' give up over the 19' for that bigger kitchen?

To my way of thinking, not much at all. IIRC, the 20's front bed is the same size as the rear corner bed in the 19. You get a dinette in both. The 20 has a more accommodating bathroom too.

It's too bad AS didn't carry over the modifications from the special edition Dave Winnick 75th anniversary 19' into production. He figured out a longer galley (but smaller frig and no second sink) for those 75 units...

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Old 05-16-2011, 10:03 AM   #19
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The 19 and 20 seem purpose built for two different things.

The 19' feels more open like a modern house. The dinette has the ultimate view at the wrap around window. The 20 may have more windows but the 19 feels much brighter inside. I have not partied on a 20 but I wager that a 19 more comfortably to supports four adults for a weekend. It should tell you something that my 19's wardrobe has been converted (partially) to galley storage and we toss soft bags with rolled clothes under the bed. Thats right, I said it, the 19' galley is a teeny bit too small.

I would have been thrilled to lose the second sink for more galley. Shaving in the galley sink is gross but who the heck shaves on a weekender anyway? I actually call the 20' the "wives trailer" or "ladies trailer' as its "all galley" (I know its sexist and in bad taste and its meant as a sarcastic joke not a knock on chefs or women)

IMO 20 is not best used as weekender. It has a darker feel is less open by being filled with the very storage you need for a longer trip. The 20' is without a doubt more comfortable for extended couples trips. So for fewer people than the 19' and longer trips the 20' rules where the 19' would be less comfortable for a couple for anything longer than a few weeks. Certainly the 20' offers a more home-like galley!

EDIT: In boat talk the 19' is a coastal cruiser and the 20' is a blue water sailor. Do you need something local for everyone to hang out or do you need something to support you far from home?
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Ditto Everything Mentioned

Let me add that on the newer Bambi 19', you can also put a cutting board/prep area on the top of the seat to the right of the sink. (Just don't prepare anything juicy there).

One more thing. Mine Bambi came with a microwave/convectional oven. It is great when you are in a campground with hookups. If I had to do it again, I would never get that set-up. A regular oven that operates on gas I think will serve better. You can't use a dutch oven in it so a lot of the ideas that the above posts contain won't work. Besides it makes noise and really makes noise if you use it while running a generator.

I vote for the regular gas oven, besides it's cheaper.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:24 AM   #21
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SoCal', I don't know what you have against the 20, but your comparison is silly indeed, and your boat comparison is all wet. Sounds to me like you wish you had a 20, and having traveled about 12 months in ours, on short and long trips, I understand that.

Wives trailer, ladies trailer, all galley, what the he.. is that all about. Yes, with 30 years in the Navy, and my wife with 28 years Navy, we understand boat talk, but we don't the purpose of these references.

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Old 05-16-2011, 10:44 AM   #22
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Ok guys, knock off the trailer trashing, everyone has their favorites (everyone knows the Caravel has the best layout they ever made, but I'm not biased at all ). The discussion is about cooking in small trailers. I don't know if that makes a trailer a 'ladies trailer' - last I heard most chefs were men, and everybody's got to eat!
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:24 AM   #23
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Where It's At!

Remember that Beck song?

YouTube - Beck - Where It's At

Well, my version is this: I got 2 gas burners and a coffee pot!

Seriously, we don't cook in ours for a couple of reasons. 1) it's such a tight space, and 2) we'd rather not have any greasy film all over everything, not to mention the lingering smells. So, we bust out our trusty Coleman stove (nicknamed Old Greenie) and cook outside. It's a classic, the kind that you use white fuel with and have to pump. I love cooking on it! And cooking outside just feels right on a camping trip. We're fine about boiling water inside, so if it's raining when it's time to eat, we have no problem with a box of mac n cheese and a bottle of red!

And of course, we don't have an oven in our little Bambi, so I got a folding oven from Coleman that fits on Old Greenie. It's not big, so there's no roasting turkeys or anything like that. But for a pan of biscuits or maybe a cake or a pie, it's perfect.

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Old 05-16-2011, 12:02 PM   #24
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We do 95% of our cooking outdoors, even in the cold late fall weather. We had 2 (90% block) screens made that zip tie to our awning in 5 minutes. Add a fold up alum. table and a stainless Solarie infra red grill and we are good to go. We only do coffee inside.
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Old 05-16-2011, 03:53 PM   #25
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Sorry that what I said sounded like "bashing"! I was trying pointing out that different people have different needs and AS recognizes that need by making two very similarly sized TT for two different but equally demanding people. The small size of a galley can easily be overcome as R2D2 as illustrated.

I can already tell that we need to adapt to cooking outside because I have been longing for a $10 one-use charcoal grill from CW. OP any thoughts about putting LPG quick connects on your tanks and getting a grill? I really want to do this and am doing my grill research...

Again sorry my critical personality was considered "bashing". Not here to hurt feelings.
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You guys are funny. I am a member on a lot of different types of forums and I really think that the people on here are really nice.
We currently have a tent trailer and pretty much the inside stove for water only as well. I guess I just figured that we would cook more inside. I really like all the responses but I have to admit I think I'm almost more confused than before! There are so many good arguments one way or the other. I think that it really comes down to what we really feel best in and making the best of our choice.
I had mentioned before that I like the 23FB, but after discovering the "wheel well bump" I'm not so sure. I really can't believe something like that would be in an Airstream.
SoCalStreamr, yes a quick disconnect would be nice. It would be even better to tap into a line and route one to the side that is easy to plug into. I don't suppose there is something like that already in an AS that I don't know about is there?
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Oh, BTW, that Dave Winnick trailer looks great!
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:38 PM   #28
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I enjoy cooking in our Bambi. We have a "found" rv countertop that matches our decor fairly well that my wonderful husband cut to fit the top of the dinette bolster. I can use it for holding a toaster, a dish rack or whatever we need. It rides on the bed in transit. A cutting board with a non-slip backing sits on the stove for more help. I feel somewhat restricted with the size of the sink, but a dishpan works well. We cook outside and inside and feel that we have adapted well to the restraints. (I don't use much grease or fry bacon--too smelly and the fumes seem to stick to everything.)
I like the 19' for the camping flexibility and easy of towing. Guess the choice depends on many personal factors and camping style. Lots of ways to go. I like to think of the Bambi as the backpacker's trailer.

Much luck on the choice.

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