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Old 02-10-2012, 03:36 PM   #15
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The pano windows and aluminum interior give a sweeping view, more natural light, and a sense of spaciousness. The aluminum walls are virtually maintenance free and have a reflective quality like mirrors, freedom of space.

But affordability is the important factor so stay within your budget.

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Old 02-10-2012, 04:22 PM   #16
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I have the slightly smaller 06 22' International CCD... I'm not sure the pano windows are a huge deal... it does make it very airy though with all the light, and the bare interior adds to the effect. But, it's also a more complex front-end as far as leaks and potential rock damage goes. Having blown out a window on our Basecamp, I am much more aware of crap hitting the trailer. The pano windows have plexiglass covers, but on my 'new' trailer, one of those is cracked already as well...

I could never buy a non-aluminum interior Airstream... the CCD, Ocean Breeze - whatever they call it now - is just too amazing.

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Old 02-10-2012, 04:29 PM   #17
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A Word About Windows

Originally Posted by TinLoaf View Post
Not having the front panoramic windows indicates that it's a standard Safari and not the Special Edition Safari. It won't have some of the fancy stuff like the recessed lights in the ceiling, etc, but a lot of that stuff doesn't really matter.

However there are some more significant differences. The standard Safari comes with standard side RV windows where only the lower quarter opens. The Special Edition has the windows from the International and Classic where the entire pane of glass opens.

The standard Safari also won't have the vista view ovals above and below the side windows, in the kitchen and in the bathroom...
Hope that helps.
TinLoaf makes some important points about windows.
We had the same windows in our 2000 Safari 27'.
We did not mind not having the front, panoramic windows, but we really disliked the fixed side windows with the tiny operating louver at the bottom. We became so distracted by this window design and the lack of air circulation we bought a 1976 with "real" Airstream windows and sold the 2000.
Indeed, our current Airstream, a 2007 has real windows, a very important feature to us.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:05 PM   #18
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I do love Colonial Airstream's website - this link shows what this Safari probably looks like, only with twins instead of queens.

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Old 02-12-2012, 11:09 AM   #19
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At dealer now the floor is good as far as I can tell there is a creak in front of stove when walking
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:28 AM   #20
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At dealer now the floor is good as far as I can tell there is a creak in front of stove when walking
I don't know if it is normal for the floor to creak.... but mine creaks some in several places. I tightened the floor bolts while my floor covering was removed and replaced a couple of broken floor bolts. The floor still creaks after the bolt tightening and replacement. I found that a really bad creak is a symptom of a broken subfloor bolt. Floor bolts are easy to replace if the floor covering can be lifted to give you access to drill and tap for a new bolt.
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Old 02-12-2012, 11:38 AM   #21
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I have the '05 Safari 25. I have had it since new and no regrets that I didn't buy or upgrade to more expensive model. It is simply within my budget and I haven't wanted to go higher. Some of the newer versions are very stylish, but even the Safari gets many complements for the way it looks inside and out.

I have both the dinette and couch fold out table on mine. I use the couch table the most.

One complaint is the quality of the foam used in cushions and mattress. It slowly squeezes down the longer you sit on lay in it. I replaced the mattress because of it. Perhaps the '06 is different.

My floor has a couple minor creaks that come and go, have since new. I'm not concerned.

I've had little or no issues with the laminate, or windows. The window openings are quite small, but with screen door open or Fantastic Fan, there is plenty of circulation.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:34 PM   #22
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Help. I contacted a salesman that said the regular 25 was not desirable, that the cabinet doors were made of foam and there was much more different than windows and lights as they knew I have been looking at the 2011-12 flying clouds. They said that the regular 25 was a sport but without the weight redesign. He made it sound awful. He concluded that it is nothing like a FC other than base looks. When I called him I expected to hear only critiques of the model year. Seriously, are the cabinets made of foam in the non SE models? This buying unseen is really diffucult. I am only familiar with the 2011-12 models inside.
2006 was before they introduced the Sport model...the salesman doesn't know his stuff.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:24 PM   #23
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Rod', don't be so excited by the prospect of having an Airstream that you buy something too different from your dream.

Some say the mouse fur holds odors from cooking or smoking. And older such finishes may deteriorate and are very difficult to fix or replace—I don't know whether the more recent ones will do so. The aluminum interior (what we have) reflects light and makes for a brighter interior. You just have to wipe it down infrequently to make it look good—mainly dust collects. We figured if we were going aluminum, we'd go all the way.

The panos are great for views, but bad for insulation. We put Reflectix on the bedroom windows to insulate better since we rarely look through them anyway. We like the openness feel of the panos in the main cabin. I think we could get claustrophobic in a trailer on a long trip if we couldn't see outside to just about every direction.

The OEM mattresses are uncomfortable, but that can be solved with a foam topper.

We bought the Safari SE model as it had the things we liked in the International and didn't have the things we didn't like—like the slider cabinet doors that can clip a finger and hurt. It also was substantially cheaper than the Internationals.

I agree the salesman doesn't know what he is talking about and it trying to get you to buy a more expensive trailer. Don't trust him.

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Old 02-13-2012, 07:37 AM   #24
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Hello all, well, I have now committed and purchased the unit. It was quite an ordeal for me. I went over it with the airforum checklist for three hours. I discovered some issues which they told me would be made right. It is a nice trailer with some needs. There were a couple of things not mentioned like the beltline outside has quite a bit of corrosion between rivets. The salesman told me that this is normal and then he showed me that they add this trim piece to older units to hide it. Everything worked. I found that two windows did not close all the way tightly but I was told they would look at that too. I believe what the salesman said about the "25 sport" was that the Safari became the sport and the Flying Cloud perspective of base and SE models of Safari.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:48 AM   #25

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Congrat's.....sounds great!!!!

If they are going to install the belt molding to "hide" the filiform, it does need to be cleaned and treated before the install, otherwise there is a good chance it will show it's ugly head again.

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So when is this..."old enough to know better" supposed to kick in?
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:10 AM   #26
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Congratulations Rod'.

Assuming the windows are like ours, the latches are adjustable with a nut that is turned to tighten them. The belt trim didn't come on trailers for a few years and some started getting corrosion where the upper and lower exterior panels meet. I wouldn't call it "normal" because that indicates it is ok. It may be common in Fla. near the ocean though.

We had the belt line trim ("extrusion") installed at the factory before there was any corrosion and none has appeared adjacent to it. Bob's right—make sure it is clean and treated before they install the trim. Are they charging you for it? I think the JC service center charged us $300+ for it.

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Old 02-13-2012, 11:57 AM   #27
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Old 02-13-2012, 01:09 PM   #28
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Congratulations on the new trailer! I'm sure you'll be very happy with it and I hope to see you at Alumapalooza in June at Jackson Center.

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